Re: [Rhythmbox-devel] Jukebox playlist



On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 21:42, jorge o. castro wrote:

> The search box is needed, this feature is just too good to ignore.

I agree, it will go in :)

>  When 
> I first saw your mockup the first thing that crept into my head was "ok, 
> search box is gone, I guess that means find-as-you-type searching in the 
> library, COOL!" 

Yeah, we want that too...need to get on jrb to implement it in the
treeview :)

> Then I looked at the artist and album columns, it seems that they're 
> fixed in the mockup and not collapsable like they currently are. Then I 
> thought to myself, "When I want to listen to Rush, do I scroll all the 
> way down on my artist list, or do I just type 'Ru' in the search box and 
> let rhythmbox prune my playlist for me in two keystrokes? I find that 
> wether I am search by artist or title, I tend to use the search box, and 
> that I rarely use the > Browse functionality in rhythmbox, so I think 
> that for me, those two top areas would be a waste of space.

We'd still have a View->Browser menu item.

> I also happen to use iTunes on my one Windows box. One thing I have 
> noticed is that the "Party Shuffle" feature is great. This is a DJ like 
> feature that works like this, A "Party Shuffle" thinger is in the source 
> thing on the left, so it looks like a playlist with a different icon, in 
> there iTunes picks 10 random songs. When you hit play it plays the first 
> one. From there you can reorder the list, remove ones you don't like 
> (iTunes then adds another random songs so there's always 10 on the 
> list). As songs are finished the song is grayed out, and the last 5 are 
> always listed, grayed out above the current song. There are options on 
> the bottom for using a specific playlist for the source and for changing 
> 10 songs to 25 or whatever.

Well, we could definitely do something like that in the Auto Play mode. 
I'll try to put together a mockup today.

> Luckily for rhythmbox, Apple kind of botched the UI for Party Shuffle 
> IMO. The idea is good but the implementation is kind of "meh". First 
> off, they have a check box for "Play higher rated songs more often". I 
> think this is solved with the autorating/random thinger rb is already 
> doing, so you don't even need a UI there. I think where they botched the 
> UI is that in order to edit the upcoming queue, you need to click on the 
> master library, find your song, then drag it into Party Shuffle. Then 
> you have to click /back/ on Party Shuffle and put the song where you 
> want it in the queue. So, when switching back and forth I lose the 
> context of my playlist.

Yuck.

> This guy I know uses Zinf for this very reason. Both the library AND the 
> queue are visible at all times. 

That's something that we'd be doing in the new Rhythmbox UI.  I really
like having the browser be prominent (with all the information it
gives).

> Muine is pretty good at this, the whole UI seems to be based on queuing 
> up music, but to me rhythmbox's strength is the playlist functionality. 
> By now I've got my entire listening habits mapped out in playlists, 

In regular playlists or automatic playlists?

> After some discussion with some friends on IRC, it really depends on how 
> you listen to music. Do you like to queue or to browse? I think that 
> each program caters to each spectrum of listening. For me, I've found 
> that Muine is good when I want to listen to whole albums in a certain 
> order, and I admit, most of that is because the album art thing is so 
> cool. I'm still in rhythmbox 90% of the time.

Well I think having two totally separate music players for the two kinds
of people kind of sucks.  I want to try really, really hard to just have
one that works for both kinds of people.  Maybe it's not possible - but
we should try.

> I agree with Ben that this makes rb very muine-like. 

No - it's simply trying to solve the XMMS use case.  So is Muine, except
it includes album covers basically.

> Sure, Muine is new 
> and shiny, and it's trendy to dig the new Mono apps, but is it a good 
> idea to go in this direction if Muine is already there? 

XMMS has been there for way longer.  There's an incredibly longstanding
bug against RB for this kind of functionality.

> I think the idea 
> of "Jukebox" in the existing playlist area with double-click adding 
> songs to this queue would be a good idea to try out in the meantime.

I want to get away from Sources.

> I think that thinking about the UI is a good idea, but I think it's a 
> good thing that rhythmbox is familiar to itunes users. 

Yes - but I don't think we'll be able to keep being familiar to iTunes
users.

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