Re: [orca-list] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

[Colomban Wendling <cwendling hypra fr>]

Le 20/10/2022 à 14:24, Will Estes a écrit :
> On Thursday, 20 October 2022,  2:18 pm +0200, Colomban Wendling via orca-list <orca-list gnome org> wrote:
>
> > ... It really could be a mailing list ...
>
> It is currently a mailing list and gnome is breaking that without even pretending to get community input.

I'm using their Discourse as well, I'm not saying orca-list feels like a 
ML (I know it is one), but that Discourse messages can :) -- and the 
little I use it I do like so.  You can also check out Didier's thread on 
discourse where I interacted 100% through my email client.

> > I think that before getting angry and setting up something new, maybe giving
> > it a fair shot would be good.
>
> What is fair would be the gnome folk asking users what they actually need instead of imposing some solution 
> that no one asked for.
>
> > -- call me crazy, but I trust they care.
>
> All the evidence we have says they don't care in the least. No input was saught, no evaluation was asked for 
> and the notice period is really short. As blind folk, we're used to being second class citizens; I appreciate 
> the gnome folks unmasking themselves as just the usual patronizing uncaring types who think that crumbs are 
> good enough.

Well, I know of the policy to move mailing lists to Discourse for a long 
time, and it happened a while ago for GTK and others.  Admittedly I 
follow plenty other GNOME pieces than Orca alone, and so might have 
gained information that weren't properly sent to *everybody* -- not that 
it ever was hidden though.

And this is not new, it happened like 3 years ago, maybe even 4 (I 
remember some stuff going on there as early as march 2019).  And I even 
think they did a poll at the time.  But the thing with polls is that, 
just as the announcement, it has to reach people, and it didn't reach 
you, which is a shame.

I'm just saying that although this current announcement might feel like 
a hard hit, and maybe they should have done it better, but I would think 
that I'm not the only one here to have been expecting this to happen at 
some point for more than a while.  I even think there was already such a 
thread in this list some time ago.  It just hit hard and real now.

I hear you that a11y users always being the least visible and thought of 
makes it harder to accept, but I don't think it's any specific here. It 
just happens to *also* hit this list just as all other GNOME ones (e.g. 
GIMP just migrated to Discourse as well, and there was a tiny bit of 
friction there too because things changed).

If Discourse is not accessible enough, it's another matter. And there I 
would expect GNOME admin to care, and they definitely should.