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Re: [orca-list] Orca and gsuite

Hi Jean-Philippe.

One quick point of clarification: When I said "I'm also seeing event
floods from Chromium related to google sheets (at least)" what I meant
was "Independent of your debug.out, due to some issues I'm working on
at this very moment, I'm also seeing bla bla bla." Sorry for being
completely confusing and unclear in my previous message!

Basically, my suspicion is that Google docs (and maybe the whole suite)
can be super event-floody.

--joanie

On Fri, 2022-01-14 at 13:27 +0100, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL via orca-list
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Hi,

Le 14/01/2022 à 13:13, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :

Hi Jean-Philippe.

The first file I cannot see. 


oops, typo in the filename:
https://people.debian.org/~jpmengual/orca_lag__drive





The second file is filled with text-

insertion event floods, some from terminal, some from Firefox. I'm
also
seeing event floods from Chromium related to google sheets (at
least).


hmm I wonder if Spotify does not generate such things. Because Chrome
is 
closed here.


I also see lag in Google Sheets in Chromium when accessibility is
enabled even if Orca is not running. That might also be the case
for
Firefox.

I think the thing to do is start by identifying the reasons for the
floods and stop them at the source if possible (hopefully possible
in
the browser). And failing that, for me to try and add additional
flood-
handling smarts to Orca. I don't think I need a meeting or a sprint
or
whatever to do that. I just need some time.


ack. I suggested this to save time. If useless why not. What I can do
if 
it helps is regenerate a log in a Docs document we may share on my 
personal drive. To work on the same thing. And closing spotify and, 
perhaps, terminal.

Available for any further help to work on this flood then, this seems
indeed a high part of the problem.

Best regardfs


--joanie

On Thu, 2022-01-13 at 00:43 +0100, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL via orca-
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wrote:

Hi Joanie,

Of course I am ready to do this. But the problem is then how to
reproduce them. Here we work on some environments where it is
difficult
to reproduce steps if we have not the same one. Also some
expectations
are not necessarily easy to write, as it is a global user
experience.
Let's take 2 examples, in the drive (orca master, Firefox
nithgly):
- lets try to open the drive and acess to the shared files list
and
browse in the tree. To make things simple, ctrl-home to be at the
beginning of the page. Just here: Down goes to the general
toolbar,
but
tab does not go to one of its item, but rather on the heading
column,
if
I understand correctly. Ok so no, lets try again. Now, tab goes
on
the
search field. Lets try again after rebooting orca, ok now, it
works.
I
go to the tree of the general folders (My drive, shardd with me,
etc). I
choose Shared with me. After Enter, the focus goes to the list of
recent
docs. Lag is strong (about 1 second per item at each pressing of
down).
Note I have a lot of pages opens (tabs) and some sheets files in
some
of
them.
I stop here for now. The log is here:
https://people.debian.org/~jpmengual/orca_lag_drive

First issue here: the lag. Is it not avoidable? Due to other apps
opened
on the computer (I open spotify, Thunderbird and other GUIs).

Ok now, after I open a file, lets try to move a copy in another
place
(we are far from the save as or ctrl-c ctrl-v process on a
classical
file manager). The log of this operation is here (andy very, veyr
long,
sorry):
https://people.debian.org/~jpmengual/orca_drive_file_management

The steps here: move the file in a sense, then another. Then open
the
file Modèle, try to generate a copy (oops cannot define the
destination), then back to the drive and move it. I have
everything
in
this log: lags, focus mode not enabled in a relevant way, some
interactions keys with a random behaviour (routine of the braille
display? enter? well, not obvious and not always the same). And
sometimes Enter opens a menu, sometimes it closes the process.
For
example, during the creation of the copy, try choosing the
destination
folder, impossible.

To finish this mail, understand me well: I absolutely dont say
Orca
is
only responsible. I guess it is a global problem of the Google
tools
and
maybe Firefox itself. That is why I suggested a synchronous work,
as
I
think a asynchronous one with bug reports may be difficult. But I
can
try again. What I mean in this thread is: how could we handle the
problem globally (where to send relevant bugreports, what to fix
in
Orca, elsewhere, etc)?

Available for any further mails or other work ways if you want.
Hypra
will probably try working on this too in next weeks, as it
becomes a
pain for me in my daily life. But I think help about what should
be
done
and where would be useful (and yes, I hope some things may
improve
quickly to finish the job I am epected to do before next month
but...
that is a deram I share with you (nearly joke).

Best regards



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Le 12/01/2022 à 23:33, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :

Bug reports with very concrete steps to reproduce the problem,
along
with expected results and actual results, are always welcome in
gitlab.
Thanks!
--joanie

On Wed, 2022-01-12 at 18:51 +0100, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL via
orca-
list
wrote:

Hi,

With libreoffice low accessibility and problems to do
colaborative
work,
I need to work more and more on Gsuite. I wonder what is your
eperience
with it. Here it is difficult: I use Drive, Docs, Sheets,
mainly.
In
all
these situations I experience very big lags, a relative focus
instability (tab does not systematicaly switch between file
list
and
other bars), a heratic behaviour of Orca in Docs, wel, daily
life
is
very under-productive. What about other users?
If this topics interests people and, of course, if Joanie has
time
and
wants to do, I can share with her the drive where I work and
the
files
in Docs. Also I can send logs or we can do "sprint"/meetings
to
see
things together. Is it realistic?
I also tried those tools on Android. Many things go better,
even
if
there are yet focus problems to use it really efficiently.
Best regards







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