Re: [orca-list] Orca and gsuite

[Jean-Philippe MENGUAL <jpmengual hypra fr>]

Hi Joanie,

Of course I am ready to do this. But the problem is then how to 
reproduce them. Here we work on some environments where it is difficult 
to reproduce steps if we have not the same one. Also some expectations 
are not necessarily easy to write, as it is a global user experience. 
Let's take 2 examples, in the drive (orca master, Firefox nithgly):
- lets try to open the drive and acess to the shared files list and 
browse in the tree. To make things simple, ctrl-home to be at the 
beginning of the page. Just here: Down goes to the general toolbar, but 
tab does not go to one of its item, but rather on the heading column, if 
I understand correctly. Ok so no, lets try again. Now, tab goes on the 
search field. Lets try again after rebooting orca, ok now, it works. I 
go to the tree of the general folders (My drive, shardd with me, etc). I 
choose Shared with me. After Enter, the focus goes to the list of recent 
docs. Lag is strong (about 1 second per item at each pressing of down).
Note I have a lot of pages opens (tabs) and some sheets files in some of 
them.
I stop here for now. The log is here:
https://people.debian.org/~jpmengual/orca_lag_drive

First issue here: the lag. Is it not avoidable? Due to other apps opened 
on the computer (I open spotify, Thunderbird and other GUIs).

Ok now, after I open a file, lets try to move a copy in another place 
(we are far from the save as or ctrl-c ctrl-v process on a classical 
file manager). The log of this operation is here (andy very, veyr long, 
sorry):
https://people.debian.org/~jpmengual/orca_drive_file_management

The steps here: move the file in a sense, then another. Then open the 
file Modèle, try to generate a copy (oops cannot define the 
destination), then back to the drive and move it. I have everything in 
this log: lags, focus mode not enabled in a relevant way, some 
interactions keys with a random behaviour (routine of the braille 
display? enter? well, not obvious and not always the same). And 
sometimes Enter opens a menu, sometimes it closes the process. For 
example, during the creation of the copy, try choosing the destination 
folder, impossible.

To finish this mail, understand me well: I absolutely dont say Orca is 
only responsible. I guess it is a global problem of the Google tools and 
maybe Firefox itself. That is why I suggested a synchronous work, as I 
think a asynchronous one with bug reports may be difficult. But I can 
try again. What I mean in this thread is: how could we handle the 
problem globally (where to send relevant bugreports, what to fix in 
Orca, elsewhere, etc)?

Available for any further mails or other work ways if you want. Hypra 
will probably try working on this too in next weeks, as it becomes a 
pain for me in my daily life. But I think help about what should be done 
and where would be useful (and yes, I hope some things may improve 
quickly to finish the job I am epected to do before next month but... 
that is a deram I share with you (nearly joke).

Best regards



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Le 12/01/2022 à 23:33, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
> Bug reports with very concrete steps to reproduce the problem, along
> with expected results and actual results, are always welcome in gitlab.
> Thanks!
> --joanie
>
> On Wed, 2022-01-12 at 18:51 +0100, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL via orca-list
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > With libreoffice low accessibility and problems to do colaborative
> > work,
> > I need to work more and more on Gsuite. I wonder what is your
> > eperience
> > with it. Here it is difficult: I use Drive, Docs, Sheets, mainly. In
> > all
> > these situations I experience very big lags, a relative focus
> > instability (tab does not systematicaly switch between file list and
> > other bars), a heratic behaviour of Orca in Docs, wel, daily life is
> > very under-productive. What about other users?
> > If this topics interests people and, of course, if Joanie has time
> > and
> > wants to do, I can share with her the drive where I work and the
> > files
> > in Docs. Also I can send logs or we can do "sprint"/meetings to see
> > things together. Is it realistic?
> > I also tried those tools on Android. Many things go better, even if
> > there are yet focus problems to use it really efficiently.
> > Best regards