Re: [orca-list] Why feedback of Orca in OS Linux is Annoyingly slower than NVDA in OS Windows? What Should I do for it?

[Shadyar Khodayari <shadyar81 gmail com>]

Hi
Your suggestion relatively similar to NVDA solution. in the NVDA there
is a shortcut turning flat review on and an other shortcut that
specifies what default mode of flat review is. I my self like this
solution and agree with your solution too.

Shadyar

On 6/14/21, Al Sten-Clanton via orca-list <orca-list gnome org> wrote:
> I might agree with this, but I think I have a bad understanding of what
> flat review is supposed to do.
>
>
> I had thought that, for example, the key for reading the current line,
> in my case number pad five, would read where my cursor is. The other
> number pad keys would read in their various directions, much as with
> Speakup.
>
>
> What I've found is that sometimes the keys work as I expected, as when I
> read this message, but often they do not.  If I try using the current
> line key in the original message, it reads "inbox," the subject, and two
> more things that I forget.  Using the other number pad keys does not
> bring me to the message body.  On the website radio.macinmind.com, where
> I just tested, flat review sometimes read what I thought it would and
> sometimes not, and I haven't yet figured out when it does which.
>
>
> I've had this problem for a long time, but I didn't mention it that I
> remember, so that's on me.  It mattered most to me when I wanted to read
> around where I was without having to move the arrow keys, so that
> getting out of flat review would bring me right back to where I was.
> Anyway, since I recall no complaints of this sort during the time I've
> been on this list, I thought it was time now to ask what I'm getting
> wrong.  Then, maybe I can think better about what people are discussing
> here.
>
>
> Thanks for any information or perspectives.
>
>
> Al
>
>
> On 6/13/21 3:32 PM, Rynhardt Kruger via orca-list wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > There are definitely times when reviewing the screen is necessary. I
> > therefore propose that the user can switch between reviewing the
> > current object, and reviewing the screen. My suggestion is that the
> > user can toggle between these two review modes with the key currently
> > used for entering flat review, as flat review is automatically entered
> > when a review key is pressed.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rynhardt
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 13 Jun 2021, 15:39 Kyle via orca-list, <orca-list gnome org
> > <mailto:orca-list gnome org>> wrote:
> >
> >     When I'm trying to review the screen using flat review, most of
> >     the time
> >     it is because I need to find a certain spot and simulate a mouse
> >     click
> >     or I need to spell a word where my caret is, usually when
> >     browsing, but
> >     also when I find a button, an element in a drop-down box or another
> >     similar item that I need to be able to spell. I tend to care more
> >     about
> >     what is on the screen in the current window at this point than
> >     what is
> >     in the current object. I rather like the idea of "current" keys not
> >     using flat review unless flat review is toggled on either by using
> >     flat
> >     review navigation or by explicitly toggling flat review on. But a
> >     whole
> >     new layer of complexity that is object navigation must be
> >     available only
> >     to users who know what they are doing and explicitly want this
> >     behavior.
> >     The last time I needed NVDA for anything, I found it fairly easy
> >     to use
> >     overall, but there were two things about it that made me want to
> >     throw
> >     my computer out the window. Those two things were the browsing
> >     virtual
> >     buffer and the rather convoluted hierarchical object navigation
> >     that is
> >     nothing at all like what someone looking at the screen would see, and
> >     caused me much pain just trying to get around my screen in places
> >     where
> >     tab focus and other keyboard focus things didn't work as well as they
> >     could have. Is flat review perfect? by no means. But the behavior and
> >     performance of flat review must be improved wherever possible. It
> >     must
> >     not be shoved aside for something as esoteric to the end user as
> >     object
> >     navigation.
> >
> >     ~Kyle
> >
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