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Re: [orca-list] Vim, is it usable for us?

Terminal and tty are not identical.  There's menus available in
terminals accessible with the alt-f for files and other alt letter
combinations.  Indications of these are at the top of the screen though
when out of flat review mode orca does not read these menu tags.  With a
tty these menus are absent.

On Mon, 31 Aug 2020, Al Sten-Clanton via orca-list wrote:


Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 22:14:22
From: Al Sten-Clanton via orca-list <orca-list gnome org>
Reply-To: Al Sten-Clanton <albert e sten_clanton verizon net>
To: Glenn K0LNY <GlennErvin cableone net>, Mewtamer <mewtamer gmail com>,
    Rastislav Kish <rastislav kish gmail com>
Cc: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Vim, is it usable for us?

Greetings!


From what you write, I infer that by "terminal window," you mean using the
terminal with Orca and therefore via the graphical user interface, while by
"TTYs" you mean the text consoles for which you do not use the GUI.  If that's
correct, maybe my brief thoughts can help.


When I want to use the command line and therefore a terminal, I've almost
always found it easier by way of the text consoles and the speakup screen
reader.  I generally get more information about the output of a command.  I
don't think this is a problem with Orca, but something about the GUI, since my
experience comparing the old DOS text screens to the command line in Windows. 
I do use the terminal from the GUI from time to time, but only to deal with
GUI-related programs, such as checking my version of Orca or doing something
with thunderbird profiles.


I hope this is useful.  Corrections in what I said are welcome.


Al



On 8/31/20 8:37 PM, Glenn K0LNY wrote:

Hi,
I've been using Linux since Ubuntu 8, mainly as a secondary operating system
to Windows, so I really haven't learned it fully.
But I've never used any of the TTYs, just opened terminal windows.
My question is,
What is the difference between opening terminal windows and the TTY windows?
Thanks.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mewtamer via orca-list" <orca-list gnome org>
To: "Rastislav Kish" <rastislav kish gmail com>
Cc: <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Vim, is it usable for us?


Okay, most linux systems have a number of consoles, usually named
tty1-tty12.

The GUI usually runs on tty1 and switching to tty2, tty3, etc. will
usually give you a text-based login prompt followed by the Linux
console.

On most GUIs, ctrl+alt+a function key will switch to the tty whose
number corresponds to the function key used(e.g. ctrl+alt+f2 will
switch you to tty2) and when in a console not running a GUI, alt+a
function key will do the same.

Some systems will have higher ttys(e.g. tty13-tty24), but I'm not sure
how these are accessed when present.

The general idea for using both graphical and text screen readers in
combination is that You'd have the GUI running in tty1 and would use
Orca with GUI applications in tty1. Meanwhile, the text screen reader
would be running on tty2-tty12 and you would switch to those consoles
for using command line and other text-mode applications with the text
screen reader.

If sound is properly configured, than you should be able to seemlessly
switch back and forth between graphical and text modes by switching
between ttys with the appropriate screen reader reading what you need
it to read on the active tty. And even without the switching between
graphical nd text modes, switching ttys is a powerful tool for
multi-tasking at the command line.

For example, if I'm writing something, I might have Firefox and Orca
running on tty1 incase I need to look something up online, my work
document open in an editor in tty2, tty3 in the same working directory
as tty2 to use wc to keep track of word count on my work document
without having to close or suspend the editor, I might use tty4 to
pull up local files from elsewhere on my machine, and I might have
some time consuming, automated process running in the background on
tty5.

Orca can work with terminal emulators, but I generally find switching
to a tty that isn't running a GUI and using a text screen reader is
often more straight forward for most text-only applications.
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