Re: [orca-list] If you are using Mate with Braille please contact me.

[Alex ARNAUD <aarnaud hypra fr>]

    Could you remind me, are you using Ubuntu Mate 20.04? If not, could
    you please try with Ubuntu 20.04 if the issue occur with it?
    
    Best regards.

Le 04/05/2020 à 16:30, Tom Masterson a écrit :

> I am
>       using Mate 1.24 from a PPA repository.  I would have too look to
>       tell you which repository for sure.
>       
>       
>       Tom
>       
>       
>       
>       On Mon, 4 May 2020, Alex ARNAUD wrote:
>       
>       
> > Hello Tom,
> >         
> >         
> >         Which Mate version are you using? Are you sure do you have the
> >         default Mate? I know Ubuntu Mate does a lot of customization on
> >         Mate
> >         
> >         
> >         Best regards.
> >         
> >         
> >         Le 30/04/2020 à 21:50, Tom Masterson via orca-list a écrit :
> >         
> >               My desktop has plenty of files and orca does not respond
> >         to any keys so I would surmise that nothing has focus.  I know
> >         alt-tab does nothing in my case at
> >         
> >               least as far as orca is concerned.
> >         
> >         
> >               Tom
> >         
> >         
> >         
> >               On Thu, 30 Apr 2020, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> >         
> >         
> >                     + Orca-list for MATE folks.
> >         
> >         
> >                     Hey Tom.
> >         
> >         
> >                     Thanks! Here's the relevant part of your debug.out
> >         (with timestamps and "INFO:" trimmed for readability and extra
> >         space added to group the
> >         
> >                     checks together):
> >         
> >         
> >                     Looking at [window | ] from [application | marco]
> >         marco
> >         
> >                     [window | ] lacks state active
> >         
> >                     [window | ] is not active and showing, or is
> >         iconified
> >         
> >         
> >                     Looking at [frame | Top Panel] from [application |
> >         mate-panel] mate-panel
> >         
> >                     [frame | Top Panel] lacks state active
> >         
> >                     [frame | Top Panel] is not active and showing, or is
> >         iconified
> >         
> >         
> >                     Looking at [frame | Bottom Panel] from [application
> >         | mate-panel] mate-panel
> >         
> >                     [frame | Bottom Panel] lacks state active
> >         
> >                     [frame | Bottom Panel] is not active and showing, or
> >         is iconified
> >         
> >         
> >                     Looking at [frame | Desktop] from [application |
> >         caja] /usr/bin/caja
> >         
> >                     [frame | Desktop] lacks state active
> >         
> >                     [frame | Desktop] is not active and showing, or is
> >         iconified
> >         
> >         
> >                     Unable to find active window from [list of all
> >         applications, even those which don't have any windows, e.g.
> >         Orca, mate-settings-daemon, etc.]
> >         
> >         
> >                     So... The question is what -- if anything -- are you
> >         in or has focus? My guess is that it's safe to eliminate the top
> >         and bottom panels. And
> >         
> >                     if memory serves me the window from Marco is what
> >         you wind up in when you use Alt+Tab. So you're not in that. The
> >         only candidate is the
> >         
> >                     Desktop.
> >         
> >         
> >                     You can do a functional test to see if the Desktop
> >         is active by putting some files in $HOME/Desktop. Then, when you
> >         start up and Orca just
> >         
> >                     says "Screen reader on," press navigation keys which
> >         should work on the Desktop like Home, End, Left, Right, Up,
> >         Down. If one of those keys
> >         
> >                     causes the selected/focused item to change, then
> >         that's where focus is. In which case, the MATE folks should see
> >         about adding the "active"
> >         
> >                     state to accessible state set of the Desktop frame.
> >         Then Orca should tell you you're on the Desktop and if it finds
> >         a focused icon, present
> >         
> >                     that as well.
> >         
> >         
> >                     On the other hand, if pressing those keys doesn't
> >         work without your having first explicitly given focus to the
> >         Desktop, then I suspect that
> >         
> >                     when you start up your session, absolutely nothing
> >         has focus and you are not physically in any window. Thus Orca
> >         has nothing to present as the
> >         
> >                     active window or focused item. If this is indeed the
> >         case, perhaps the MATE folks could consider putting focus
> >         *somewhere*, like the Desktop,
> >         
> >                     for all users.
> >         
> >         
> >                     Related aside: Orca used to say "no focus" to
> >         indicate that condition, but doing so reliably was problematic:
> >         There are often very brief
> >         
> >                     moments where one is in limbo between a window
> >         becoming inactive and a window becoming active. If Orca doesn't
> >         wait a sufficiently long enough
> >         
> >                     time, Orca would be regularly spamming you with "no
> >         focus" messages. On the flip side, if Orca waits too long to
> >         tell you nothing has focus,
> >         
> >                     you've probably already reached this conclusion due
> >         to the silence and caused something to gain focus rendering the
> >         eventual "no focus"
> >         
> >                     message pointless. I had tried to strike a balance
> >         in between these two extremes, but "no focus" messages still
> >         crept through on occasion and
> >         
> >                     users complained. So the "no focus" message got
> >         removed.
> >         
> >         
> >                     I'm dealing with some Chromium issues at the moment,
> >         but I'm hoping the MATE users -- and in some cases MATE
> >         contributors, like Hypra -- will
> >         
> >                     read the above and either fix the missing state (if
> >         the Desktop really is active) or see about causing the Desktop
> >         to gain focus or clue me in
> >         
> >                     to something I'm not aware of. :)
> >         
> >         
> >                     Thanks!!
> >         
> >                     --joanie
> >         
> >         
> >                     On 4/30/20 14:44, Tom Masterson wrote:
> >         
> >                           Hi Joanie
> >         
> >         
> >                           Here is a debug with orca starting.  Not a
> >         high priority as I can easily work around it but might be
> >         interesting to know why orca
> >         
> >                           says nothing but "screenreader on" until I go
> >         to the menu.
> >         
> >         
> >                           Tom
> >         
> >         
> >                           On Thu, 30 Apr 2020, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> >         
> >         
> >                                 Hey Tom.
> >         
> >         
> >                                 When Orca is first started, it tries to
> >         find the active application window. If it finds it, it should
> >         present it. Also
> >         
> >                                 if it finds it, it then searches for the
> >         focused object in that window. So my guess is that Orca is not
> >         finding an
> >         
> >                                 active window. If you care as to why,
> >         capturing a full debug.out would be helpful. I'm happy to take a
> >         look.
> >         
> >         
> >                                 If the scenario is that Orca is being
> >         started automatically along with the desktop, the approach of
> >         relaunching Orca
> >         
> >                                 and cycling through levels presumably
> >         won't work. But on
> >         https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/Debugging, under item 2,
> >         
> >                                 you'll find something which should work,
> >         namely using orca-customizations.py to set up the file and debug
> >         level
> >         
> >                                 ahead of time.
> >         
> >         
> >                                 HTH.
> >         
> >                                 --joanie
> >         
> >         
> >         
> >         
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