Re: [orca-list] If you are using Mate with Braille please contact me.
- From: Alex ARNAUD <aarnaud hypra fr>
- To: kd7cyu gmail com, Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>
- Cc: orca <Orca-list gnome org>
- Subject: Re: [orca-list] If you are using Mate with Braille please contact me.
- Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 08:42:56 +0200
Hello Tom,
Which Mate version are you using? Are you sure do you have the
default Mate? I know Ubuntu Mate does a lot of customization on Mate
Best regards.
Le 30/04/2020 à 21:50, Tom Masterson
via orca-list a écrit :
My
desktop has plenty of files and orca does not respond to any keys
so I would surmise that nothing has focus. I know alt-tab does
nothing in my case at least as far as orca is concerned.
Tom
On Thu, 30 Apr 2020, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
+ Orca-list for MATE folks.
Hey Tom.
Thanks! Here's the relevant part of your debug.out (with
timestamps and "INFO:" trimmed for readability and extra space
added to group the checks together):
Looking at [window | ] from [application | marco] marco
[window | ] lacks state active
[window | ] is not active and showing, or is iconified
Looking at [frame | Top Panel] from [application | mate-panel]
mate-panel
[frame | Top Panel] lacks state active
[frame | Top Panel] is not active and showing, or is iconified
Looking at [frame | Bottom Panel] from [application |
mate-panel] mate-panel
[frame | Bottom Panel] lacks state active
[frame | Bottom Panel] is not active and showing, or is
iconified
Looking at [frame | Desktop] from [application | caja]
/usr/bin/caja
[frame | Desktop] lacks state active
[frame | Desktop] is not active and showing, or is iconified
Unable to find active window from [list of all applications,
even those which don't have any windows, e.g. Orca,
mate-settings-daemon, etc.]
So... The question is what -- if anything -- are you in or has
focus? My guess is that it's safe to eliminate the top and
bottom panels. And if memory serves me the window from Marco is
what you wind up in when you use Alt+Tab. So you're not in that.
The only candidate is the Desktop.
You can do a functional test to see if the Desktop is active by
putting some files in $HOME/Desktop. Then, when you start up and
Orca just says "Screen reader on," press navigation keys which
should work on the Desktop like Home, End, Left, Right, Up,
Down. If one of those keys causes the selected/focused item to
change, then that's where focus is. In which case, the MATE
folks should see about adding the "active" state to accessible
state set of the Desktop frame. Then Orca should tell you you're
on the Desktop and if it finds a focused icon, present that as
well.
On the other hand, if pressing those keys doesn't work without
your having first explicitly given focus to the Desktop, then I
suspect that when you start up your session, absolutely nothing
has focus and you are not physically in any window. Thus Orca
has nothing to present as the active window or focused item. If
this is indeed the case, perhaps the MATE folks could consider
putting focus *somewhere*, like the Desktop, for all users.
Related aside: Orca used to say "no focus" to indicate that
condition, but doing so reliably was problematic: There are
often very brief moments where one is in limbo between a window
becoming inactive and a window becoming active. If Orca doesn't
wait a sufficiently long enough time, Orca would be regularly
spamming you with "no focus" messages. On the flip side, if Orca
waits too long to tell you nothing has focus, you've probably
already reached this conclusion due to the silence and caused
something to gain focus rendering the eventual "no focus"
message pointless. I had tried to strike a balance in between
these two extremes, but "no focus" messages still crept through
on occasion and users complained. So the "no focus" message got
removed.
I'm dealing with some Chromium issues at the moment, but I'm
hoping the MATE users -- and in some cases MATE contributors,
like Hypra -- will read the above and either fix the missing
state (if the Desktop really is active) or see about causing the
Desktop to gain focus or clue me in to something I'm not aware
of. :)
Thanks!!
--joanie
On 4/30/20 14:44, Tom Masterson wrote:
Hi Joanie
Here is a debug with orca starting. Not a high priority as I
can easily work around it but might be interesting to know why
orca says nothing but "screenreader on" until I go to the
menu.
Tom
On Thu, 30 Apr 2020, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
Hey Tom.
When Orca is first started, it tries to find the active
application window. If it finds it, it should present it.
Also if it finds it, it then searches for the focused object
in that window. So my guess is that Orca is not finding an
active window. If you care as to why, capturing a full
debug.out would be helpful. I'm happy to take a look.
If the scenario is that Orca is being started automatically
along with the desktop, the approach of relaunching Orca and
cycling through levels presumably won't work. But on https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/Debugging,
under item 2, you'll find something which should work,
namely using orca-customizations.py to set up the file and
debug level
ahead of time.
HTH.
--joanie
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