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Re: [orca-list] Thunderbird's Index View

Christopher:

Sounds like the Preview Pane might be preferrable. So far, I don't see
the distinction, but I'll take that on faith for now.

So how does one enter into Preview Mode? After arrowing up and down and
landing on a message in the message list I wish to examine, and perhaps
activate links in, how do I get into it in Preview Mode as opposed to
making it a window by pressing enter?

Thanks for your continuing good counsel.

Janina

Christopher Chaltain writes:

Yes, you'll get the same functionality in the preview pane that you'll get
if you open up a message in it's own window or tab. Namely you can tab
between links, jump to new headings and so on.


I have the preview pane turned on, so when I open up Thunderbird, I start in
the message list. If I hit F6, it'll cycle between the preview pane, the
folder list and the message list. If you don't have the preview pane turned
on then you should just jump back and forth between the folder list and the
message list. Of course, with preferences, you may have these panels turned
off so there's nothing for F6 to cycle through. F6 won't take you anywhere
if you're in a message window.


Alt+` (That's alt plus grave.) is a standard Gnome key that just jumps
between windows in the same application group. It's not a Thunderbird key
stroke. It won't take you anywhere if you only have one Thunderbird window
opened up.


On 1/27/20 8:24 AM, Janina Sajka wrote:

Thanks to everyone weighing in on this thread. A few observations and
questions from yours truly.

1.) I have been pressing enter in the message list to read the email
I'm interested in. Would I get the same functionality in preview mode,
namely the ability to click hyperlinks? Activating hyperlinks directly
from within an email is my main reason for even bothering with a
graphical client. I'm otherwise fairly content with mutt, but even using
the clipboard on some hyperlinks no longer works, e.g. for validating
password changes. Seems there's some metadata in these messages which
effectively blocks using the clipboard to go to a browser indirectly.

2.) It seems multiple windws may be opened. I've had some success
with Ctrl+W, but it often seems Ctrl+TAB is also required to get at all
the open windows. Can we close all open windows in a single keystroke? I
guess I could just try shift or alt, but I'm feeling a tad pressed, so
thought I'd just ask.

3.) For whatever reason I get nothing from any variant involving F6
or the grave. For me these don't appear to do anything.

Best,

Janina

Al Sten-Clanton writes:

I didn't know about ctrl-tab, so thanks for that.  I tried escape and
alt-grave and nothing happened.  It's the same with F6 and shift-F6.   I
usually use ctrl-w to get out of a message.


Al


On 1/25/20 10:26 AM, Christopher Chaltain via orca-list wrote:

To get back to the message list, when you're in an email, depends on how
you're viewing the message. For me, I use the preview pane, so I just
hit Shift+F6 or F6 a couple of times to get back to the message list. If
you're opening up messages in their own window, such as by hitting the
enter key, then I think just hitting the escape key should close that
window and put you back into the message list. If you're opening up
messages in a separate tab then I think control+tab should get you back
to the message list. There's also the alt+` key sequence which will just
cycle through the open windows in a given application, so you could use
this as well. BTW, that's the alt key plus the grave key, which is the
key to the left of the 1 on the keyboard.


BTW, for what you're calling the index, I just call it the message list,
but I have no idea what the official term is. Maybe a programmer can
enlighten us.


Good luck, and keep the questions coming! I'll answer all the
Thunderbird questions I can!


On 1/25/20 6:32 AM, Janina Sajka wrote:

Hi Christopher, All:

I'm picking up on this old Thunderbird thread because I keep working at
learning Thunderbird from time to time. I've made progress, but I'm
still learning and have a specific question.

Actually, two questions ...

1.)    When in an email message, I note that TAB and Shift+TAB take me
among hyperlinks embedded in the message. But, how do I get out of that
view and back to what I've called the index listing? Nothing else I try
seems to work reliably short of going into the menus. Some simple key
combo would be very satisfying at this point.

2.)    What is the correct graphical desktop term for what I'm calling
the index? What term should I use to identify the list of messages in a
folder? What's that called?

With thanks,

Janina

Christopher Chaltain writes:

OK Janina, I get what you're talking about. I guess I just call
that the in
box, but the index view may be the more appropriate term.


I don't use the calendar in Thunderbird at all. I just use
Google Calendar's
web interface. I don't see anything to do with a calendar or
Lightning in
Thunderbird, so I'm guessing I just disabled that add on altogether.


I do come up in my in box. I also have the message pane turned
on, so I just
use the F6 key to jump from the folder list to the in box for
that folder
and then the message body. The folder list will also take you between
accounts. The left and right arrows will collapse subfolders.
BTW, I also
have my messages in a threaded view, and the left and right
arrow keys will
also collapse and expand each thread.


I hope this helps, and I can answer more questions or give more details
later.


On 1/1/20 10:48 AM, Janina Sajka wrote:

Hi, Christopher:

By index I mean the summary view of all mail in a particular
folder, for
example the folder inbox of one of my setup accounts--perhaps
janina rednote net.

One can get there via menus, Go, Folders, then the particular account,
etc. This path can be very slow, especially if the local imaps hasn't
updated recently.

I believe Outlook also calls it an index view, as I know the
console mua
I use, mutt, does. So, I'm not sure what else to call that screen, but
it's definitely the most useful to me as I literally dispose
of hundreds
of emails daily.

Best,

Janina

Christopher Chaltain writes:

Sorry for my ignorance Janina, but what do you mean by
the index view? I'm
not familiar with this term.


On 1/1/20 9:52 AM, Janina Sajka via orca-list wrote:

Hi, All:

I've been trying to use Thunderbird recently. I'm
hoping my frustration
with Thunderbird is just a lack of knowledge and appropriate
configuration.

Here's my problem:

I want to work from the index view. I would like to
default to that tab
when I launch Thunderbird. I don't care about it's calendar, today,
tomorrow, and 5 days forward.

Is there a way to set T-bird to default to the index view?

Also, when in an actual email message, how does one most efficiently
return to the index view?

Thanks for all suggestions. Happy New Year, everyone!

Janina



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Chaltain at Gmail


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Chaltain at Gmail


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Janina Sajka

Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:       http://a11y.org

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures        http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
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