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Re: [orca-list] Odd issue with the Riot web client

Very odd, you're not the only one unable to duplicate, seems to be unique to me. I tried with both Firefox stable and nightly, disabling all addons on nightly. Currently using riot.im/develop.
Here's a debug.out of the behavior, with us talking about duplicating it no less: 


https://send.firefox.com/download/91d0d5401798ef23/#MO0kXgEQYOG87-TngtlkcA


Thanks.
On 1/22/20 4:24 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:

Hey Nolan.
I'm afraid I cannot reproduce the problem you describe. We use Riot at Igalia btw. I tried with Firefox Nightly and the following versions of Riot: 

matrix-react-sdk version: <local>
riot-web version: 1.5.6
olm version: 3.1.3
Do you think something in particular might be triggering it, like an incoming message? 

--joanie

On 1/22/20 10:25 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote:

Working well here, thanks so much!
There is another odd Riot issue that I don't think affects NVDA. To duplicate: 


1. Start with focus in the message entry area.
2. Switch to Browse mode and arrow up a few times (yay that I can now do this! :)
3. After 4-5 up-arrows, focus flies out of the message list and into the room header.
I'd expect to be able to arrow up and read previous message history. I can't always duplicate, but it happens way more often than not. Using Orca master and Firefox 72.0.1. 


Thanks again.

On 1/22/20 12:11 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
It looks like the Riot authors were creating a placeholder-like experience with actual elements which Orca was treating like real entry text and getting confused. This is now working for me. Please test and let me know. 

Thanks!
--joanie

On 1/9/20 9:58 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote:

Any chance this might get looked into again?
FWIW, Mozilla is abandoning IRC for Matrix, so Riot is about to become an indispensable tool for anyone interacting via chat in the Mozilla ecosystem. They've also been actively working on accessibility and have a good and improving NVDA story. I say that not to pit Orca against NVDA, but rather to note that they're really trying to fix their accessibility issues. 


Thanks.



On 11/15/19 8:53 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
OK, was mistaken. The failure case is a bit different, but when I type into the field under Chromium, I can't arrow up past the previous message. This is under Chromium 78, which I was just upgraded to.
And yes yes, before you yell at me, I'm interested in this more as what now appears to be a cross-browser bug with slightly different behaviors, not as a Chromium issue. :) I just want this to work somewhere--I don't much care where. 


Thanks.


On 11/13/19 5:52 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
FWIW, I finally installed Chromium, and this doesn't happen with Chromium 77.0.3865.120 Fedora Project and Orca master. So seems specific to Firefox. 


On 11/5/19 3:05 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
I can reproduce this. It looks like an Orca bug. I'm still debugging it, but will hopefully have it fixed before too long. I don't think it's a regression though. Or if it is, it's super old. I went back to Orca 3.30 and the problem happens there.... 

On 11/1/19 11:29 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote:

Hey folks,
The Riot developers have been pouring lots of effort recently into making their web-based Matrix client accessible. But I'm experiencing a pretty significant issue with their new text entry system for messages that they can't duplicate under NVDA. I'm wondering if any Orca users are seeing the same, and if this can be diagnosed as either a Firefox/Orca issue under Linux, or as something they aren't doing correctly on their end. To test, you'll need a Matrix account. Once you have one and are logged in, visit this instance with accessibility improvements: 


https://riots.im/adhoc/a11y
Join a room or chat. You'll probably be automatically focused into the message input field and put in focus mode. Once there, enter browse mode and try arrowing up.
Apparently, NVDA handles this use case fine both in the accessibility build and the development build at riot.im/develop. Orca, on the other hand, won't let me arrow up. I hear "Newline," followed by some buttons, and focus lands back in the message entry field. The only way to escape this field is to enter browse mode and use b/B/h/some other quick navigation key, then hope you don't land back in the mud. Happens under Orca master as of a few minutes ago and Firefox nightly as of a few days ago, but it's happened for a bit now so I don't think it's a bleeding-edge regression. Apologies for not reporting it--been a bit busy and it hasn't been high enough priority for me.
Is there any actionable feedback I can give the Riot folks to fix this? They're pretty actively looking for feedback in the #a11y:matrix.org room, so if you're Matrix-inclined and want to give it then there is the best place, or I'll happily relay it otherwise. 


Thanks a bunch.

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