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Re: [orca-list] Orca and MuseScore/Qt-applications

What could solve it is the developers assigning a better accessible role to it. Perhaps they could ask on the Qt accessibility list? 

On 1/13/20 10:29, Peter Bartels wrote:

Hey Joanie,
meanwhile I found an actual community package of Orca and could update it to version 3.34.1. MuseScore works for me with Orca, if I set the environment variable "QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1" before the command to execute MuseScore. Yes, with the actual release of MuseScore Orca reads menu items or element inside the inpector.
If you or someone other is interested, with an actual development build (http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/musescore-nightlies/linux/x86_64/ <http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/musescore-nightlies/linux/x86_64/> (scroll to the end to the page and use the latest one) Orca reads also toolbox items and musical elements of the palette. It's not the same result as in the video above,  but a big step forward.
With my limited development skills, about the "filler"-issue, you mentioned: do you have any ideas, what could solve it (in case it isn't a Qt bug)? 

Greetings from

Peter
Am Freitag, 10. Januar 2020, 19:34:46 MEZ hat Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com> Folgendes geschrieben: 


Hey Peter.

I noticed that there were some things Orca wasn't reading in MuseScore,
and the reason why is that the objects had role of "filler". That's a
bogus role to apply to anything that a screen reader should present. I
don't know if that's a Qt bug or a MuseScore bug. But if that were
fixed, I think MuseScore would be more accessible in Linux.

--joanie

On 1/10/20 12:53, Peter Bartels via orca-list wrote:
 > Thanks Joanie,
 >
 > not with Orca version 3.26.0. Today I upgraded OpenSuse to 15.1, but
 > there isn't another disrtribution package of Orca available - it's a
 > little bit annoying. As far I've read in May 2020 will be published the
 > next distributution version with an actual version of Orca; so it seems
 > I can't check it before :-(.
 >
 > Btw. (and FWIW) on FOSDEM 2020 there will be an presentation of
 > accessibility features in MuseScore (FOSDEM 2020 - Accessibility in
 > MuseScore
> <https://fosdem.org/2020/schedule/event/accessibility_in_musescore/ <https://fosdem.org/2020/schedule/event/accessibility_in_musescore/>>.) 
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >    FOSDEM 2020 - Accessibility in MuseScore
 >
> <https://fosdem.org/2020/schedule/event/accessibility_in_musescore/ <https://fosdem.org/2020/schedule/event/accessibility_in_musescore/>> 
 >
 >
 > In this this context it would be great, if Orca would work in the same
 > way as NVDA with the acual state of MuseScore (respectively the reason
 > in case Orca can read menu items and so on but can't read musical
 > elements - as mentioned I can't check it at time).
 >
 >
 > Beyond that: thank you very much for all you replies so far, it's very
 > appreiciated (and maybe someone is instered to get the application work
 > with Orca)
 >
 > Peter
 >
 > Am Donnerstag, 9. Januar 2020, 20:12:19 MEZ hat Joanmarie Diggs
 > <jdiggs igalia com <mailto:jdiggs igalia com>> Folgendes geschrieben:
 >
 >
 > Confirmed here too. But in my case, Orca is presenting things (e.g. the
 > dialog box widgets) to me. Is it not even presenting those to you?
 >
 > There have been a lot of fixes in Orca and a lot of fixes in AT-SPI2
 > along with some in ATK since the versions you have. I would start with
 > upgrading to something current and then re-testing.
 >
 > --joanie
 >
 >
 > On 1/9/20 13:31, Peter Bartels via orca-list wrote:
 >  > Just noticed an to be precise: MuseScore (="mscore") is listed after
 >  > starting the application (but Orca don't work with it), but isn't
 >  > listed, when MuseSore isn't opened.
 >  >
 >  > With best regards
 >  >
 >  > Peter
 >  >
 >  > Am Donnerstag, 9. Januar 2020, 18:36:33 MEZ hat Joanmarie Diggs
>  > <jdiggs igalia com <mailto:jdiggs igalia com> <mailto:jdiggs igalia com <mailto:jdiggs igalia com>>> Folgendes geschrieben: 
 >  >
 >  >
 >  > If you type "orca -l" in a terminal, does the application in question
 >  > show up in the list?
 >  >
 >  > --joanie
 >  >
 >  > On 1/9/20 09:51, Peter Bartels via orca-list wrote:
 >  >  > The Qt-application MuseScore is a scorewriter. One aim is to
 > improve the
 >  >  > accessibility, also that it works with screen readers.
>  >  > The actual version seems to run by using NVDA with Windows quite good 
 >  >  >
 >  >
> (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=Ocl9gBxmeKg&feature=emb_logo <https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=Ocl9gBxmeKg&feature=emb_logo > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=Ocl9gBxmeKg&feature=emb_logo <https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=Ocl9gBxmeKg&feature=emb_logo > 
 >  >
 >  >
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=Ocl9gBxmeKg&feature=emb_logo <https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=Ocl9gBxmeKg&feature=emb_logo > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=Ocl9gBxmeKg&feature=emb_logo <https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=Ocl9gBxmeKg&feature=emb_logo>>>), 
 >
 >  >
 >  >  > but I don't get it to run with Orca, not sure about the reason.
 >  >  >
 >  >  > My system: OpenSuse Lep 15.0, using XFCE, QT-version: 5.9.4 (so the
 >  >  > command "export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1" shouldn't be neccassary
 > anymore and
>  >  > don't have any effect), orca version: 3.26.0, at-spi2 version: 2.26.3 
 >  >  >
>  >  > GTK-applications seems to work well for me. But what is neccassary to 
 >  >  > get work Orca with Qt-applications in general, but especially with
 >  >  > MuseScore? It would be great if the software would also work with a
 >  >  > screen reader and Linux (and at time it's not clear also for the
>  >  > developers about the reason: https://musescore.org/en/node/299387 <https://musescore.org/en/node/299387 > > <https://musescore.org/en/node/299387 <https://musescore.org/en/node/299387 >> >  > <https://musescore.org/en/node/299387 <https://musescore.org/en/node/299387 > > <https://musescore.org/en/node/299387 <https://musescore.org/en/node/299387 >>>), so 
 >  >  > to improve the accessibility features there.
 >  >
 >  >  >
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