Re: [orca-list] Should Orca treat navigational bars as lists or not

[Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>]

Hey Kyle.

You can already uncheck list information on the speech page of Orca's 
preferences. Does that not work, or are you suggesting something different?

--joanie

On 2/17/20 21:28, Kyle via orca-list wrote:
> I'm for treating it as any other list, except that some of us wouldn't 
> want item counts spoken. But there are plenty of other lists where item 
> counts are spoken. So I think we should be able to turn this on and off 
> for all lists everywhere. My suggestion would be to speak item counts 
> when preferences -> speech -> verbosity is verbose, but don't speak any 
> item counts anywhere when preferences --> speech -> verbosity is brief. 
> Then the navbar lists could be treated as any other list, speaking item 
> counts when the verbosity option is set verbose, and not speaking them 
> when verbosity is brief.
>
> ~Kyle
>
> On 2/17/20 2:09 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > Hey all.
> >
> > Changing the subject and seeking input on something Alex pointed out. 
> > Given a navigation bar of links at the top of a page, Orca doesn't 
> > present it as a list; it just presents the line of links. However, you 
> > can still use Orca's structural navigation (e.g. "l") to get to these 
> > lists.
> >
> > Here's an example: https://getbootstrap.com/docs/4.4/components/navbar/
> >
> > Note that there are actually two lists in the navbar on that page.
> >
> > Would you like Orca to:
> >
> > 1. Announce the number of items on the list before presenting each of
> >    the navbars on that line?
> >
> > 2. Prevent "l" (and "i") from treating those navbars as lists?
> >
> > 3. Leave things as they are?
> >
> > Note that these choices are mutually exclusive. You can only pick one. 
> > Note also that "make it a preference!" is not a good answer. ;) Orca 
> > already has way too many preferences. Let's see if we can agree on the 
> > best way to handle this.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > --joanie
> >
> > On 2/17/20 19:07, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote:
> > > Le 17/02/2020 à 18:33, Nolan Darilek a écrit :
> > > >  Hey folks,
> > > Hello Nolan,
> > >
> > > > I see from some recent Orca commit messages that there may be 
> > > > changes in whether given web elements render on the same line or not.
> > > It's due to some issues I've reported.
> > >
> > > > I upgraded Orca last week, and found that a number of pages/apps now 
> > > > render differently. In particular, Bootstrap menus which I've long 
> > > > assumed are horizontal, now appear vertical. See the navbars on this 
> > > > page, for instance:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://getbootstrap.com/docs/4.4/components/navbar/
> > > I confirm what you describe and I confirm you that the menu is 
> > > horizontal.
> > >
> > > I see multiple issues here:
> > > 1. Orca doesn't announce the list on the menu of bootstrap whereas 
> > > the l shortcut jumps to the list
> > > 2. Orca reads now vertically the menu. The main reason here is to let 
> > > it announce when you come / leave the list. For that Orca needs to 
> > > put the caret into the list.
> > > (Probably Orca could announce all the horizontal list at the same 
> > > time, this will reduce for you the amount of arrow you've to do)
> > >
> > > Do you know how NVDA handles such case?
> > >
> > > Best regards.
> > >
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