Re: [orca-list] Vim, is it usable for us?

[Didier Spaier <didier slint fr>]

Hello Ratislav,

Console screen readers work on the console only, with the exception of fenrir, which can also work on the 
desktop, in a terminal for X or Wayland if started like this: fenrir -e

If fenrir runs in a terminal for X, you'll hear both fenrir and orca, but only in the terminal where you 
started fenrir.

You can use both fenrir at once, although I am not sure to know a use case for that.

Maybe Storm Dragon or Kyle will tell you more.

As an aside, not all distributions provide a graphical environment, but all include a console installation.

Best regards,

Didier

PS there is no stupid question, yours is not an exception to this rule.

Le 31/08/2020 à 22:39, Rastislav Kish via orca-list a écrit :
> Hello,
>
> this may be a stupid question, but I was thinking, how do these console screenreaders work?
>
> Can they be used in normal terminal in graphical system, or does the OS have to be a fully console 
> installation?
>
> And if they run in the graphical environment, does it collide with Orca?
>
> or is it possible to use both at once?
>
>
> Best regards
>
>
> Rastislav
>
>
> Dňa 30. 8. 2020 o 23:39 Storm Dragon napísal(a):
> > Howdy,
> >
> > Vim is being used to compose this message. It is, in my opinion, the best text editor on the planet. Be 
> > warned though, if you do get into using it and have to use a graphical text editor for some reason, you'll 
> > most likely get a file with a lit of A :w, etc in it lol.
> >
> > I use it with Fenrir, most often in the console. It has spellcheck, and all sorts of nifty features 
> > including backups, macros, etc.
> >
> > You may need to disable the ruler by typing the following:
> >
> > :set noruler
> >
> > If you need to know line and column information, press control+g to have it briefly shown on the bottom 
> > line.
> >
> > you can make the noruler setting permanent by adding it to your ~/.vimrc.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Storm
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 04:56:33PM -0400, Orca-list wrote:
> > > Yes, Vim works well with a screen reader. You'll probably achieve better results with Fenrir or Speakup 
> > > than with Orca in Gnome-Terminal, though. It also works well with a braille display, which is what I 
> > > generally use.
> > >
> > > It's easy to apply the editor commands once you've read the text to decide what changes you want to make. 
> > > I tend to use Emacs for serious writing projects, but that just reflects my preference rather than any 
> > > limitation of Vim.
> > >
> > > On 8/30/20 4:41 PM, Rastislav Kish via orca-list wrote:
> > > > Hi folks,
> > > >
> > > > during my Linux adventures, I couldn't have missed possibly one of the most legendary Linux tools, Vim.
> > > >
> > > > Vim's philosophy of writing and editing text with a language was completely new for me, so I have quite 
> > > > enjoyed learning about it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > However, after reading some introductory texts and few experiments, I have two questions:
> > > >
> > > > * how usable is Vim with Orca? I have noticed various rather strange behaviors like reading currently 
> > > > missed word when navigating character by character or reading a line in somewhat shuffled order when I 
> > > > approach it from the next line. H, J, K and L keys doesn't seem to work at all, I have to use arrow 
> > > > keys, I don't know, whether this is function of Vim or Orca.
> > > >
> > > > * Is Vim potentially useful for blind people? I can imagine, that when a sighted person sees the whole 
> > > > layout of a page, he / she has an imagination in his / her head what he / she wants to select, delete or 
> > > > replace, and thus a way to express it wia a special language can be very handy. However, blind people 
> > > > don't have this ability, we rather know our current position and drag the selection from it, until we 
> > > > find the ending point, as our view is limited to max. one line at once.
> > > >
> > > > So, the question is, is the ability to define operations with a language still that advantageous under 
> > > > these circumstances? On a graphical system, would you use Vim over a traditional editor like Pluma, or 
> > > > something similar with plugins, and if yes why?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Best regards
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rastislav