Re: [orca-list] Vim, is it usable for us?

["Rob Hudson" <rob_hudson3182 opopanax net>]

The console screen readers run in the console, while Orca runs in the gui. The gui is just an overlay for the 
console, the way windows 3.1 used to be an overlay for DOS>

----- Original Message -----
From: Rastislav Kish via orca-list <orca-list gnome org>
To: orca-list gnome org
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 22:39:56 +0200
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Vim, is it usable for us?

> Hello,

this may be a stupid question, but I was thinking, how do these console
screenreaders work?

Can they be used in normal terminal in graphical system, or does the OS
have to be a fully console installation?

And if they run in the graphical environment, does it collide with Orca?

or is it possible to use both at once?


Best regards


Rastislav


Dna 30. 8. 2020 o 23:39 Storm Dragon napísal(a):
> Howdy,
>
> Vim is being used to compose this message. It is, in my opinion, the
> best text editor on the planet. Be warned though, if you do get into
> using it and have to use a graphical text editor for some reason,
> you'll most likely get a file with a lit of A :w, etc in it lol.
>
> I use it with Fenrir, most often in the console. It has spellcheck,
> and all sorts of nifty features including backups, macros, etc.
>
> You may need to disable the ruler by typing the following:
>
> :set noruler
>
> If you need to know line and column information, press control+g to
> have it briefly shown on the bottom line.
>
> you can make the noruler setting permanent by adding it to your ~/.vimrc.
>
> Thanks,
> Storm
>
> On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 04:56:33PM -0400, Orca-list wrote:
> > Yes, Vim works well with a screen reader. You'll probably achieve
> > better results with Fenrir or Speakup than with Orca in
> > Gnome-Terminal, though. It also works well with a braille display,
> > which is what I generally use.
> >
> > It's easy to apply the editor commands once you've read the text to
> > decide what changes you want to make. I tend to use Emacs for serious
> > writing projects, but that just reflects my preference rather than
> > any limitation of Vim.
> >
> > On 8/30/20 4:41 PM, Rastislav Kish via orca-list wrote:
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > during my Linux adventures, I couldn't have missed possibly one of
> > > the most legendary Linux tools, Vim.
> > >
> > > Vim's philosophy of writing and editing text with a language was
> > > completely new for me, so I have quite enjoyed learning about it.
> > >
> > >
> > > However, after reading some introductory texts and few experiments,
> > > I have two questions:
> > >
> > > * how usable is Vim with Orca? I have noticed various rather strange
> > > behaviors like reading currently missed word when navigating
> > > character by character or reading a line in somewhat shuffled order
> > > when I approach it from the next line. H, J, K and L keys doesn't
> > > seem to work at all, I have to use arrow keys, I don't know, whether
> > > this is function of Vim or Orca.
> > >
> > > * Is Vim potentially useful for blind people? I can imagine, that
> > > when a sighted person sees the whole layout of a page, he / she has
> > > an imagination in his / her head what he / she wants to select,
> > > delete or replace, and thus a way to express it wia a special
> > > language can be very handy. However, blind people don't have this
> > > ability, we rather know our current position and drag the selection
> > > from it, until we find the ending point, as our view is limited to
> > > max. one line at once.
> > >
> > > So, the question is, is the ability to define operations with a
> > > language still that advantageous under these circumstances? On a
> > > graphical system, would you use Vim over a traditional editor like
> > > Pluma, or something similar with plugins, and if yes why?
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > >
> > >
> > > Rastislav
> > >
> > >
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