Re: [orca-list] Can Orca help with access to this crappy HTML?

[Nolan Darilek <nolan thewordnerd info>]

Thanks, seems to work about as perfectly as I can expect! :) I 
appreciate the fix.


On 5/15/19 1:01 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hey Nolan.
>
> I brushed off my turd polisher just for you. <grins>
>
> Using Orca master, you should now be able to do the following on the 
> page in question:
>
> 1. See all the clickable items in the list of clickables dialog
> 2. Activate a given clickable via that dialog (be sure to press
>    the Activate button rather than just move there)
> 3. Navigate amongst all of the clickables via A / Shift+A
> 4. Use Orca's click command to activate the current clickable (reminder,
>    that's Caps Lock + 7 or KP Slash depending on your layout)
> 5. Hear all the clickables when arrowing within the table using caret
>    navigation commands
> 6. Hear all the clickables when using cell navigation
>
> Some notes on the page-specific interaction:
>
> In the page in question, the first row ("admin") has a clickable in 
> each cell with a checkbox displayed. When you click on these with the 
> mouse, nothing happens. However there is an accessible click action 
> for those items. I have no way of knowing via what's exposed to me 
> that clicking on them won't actually do anything.
>
> In contrast, clicking on any of the cells in the second row does do 
> something. Initially it puts focus on the "enter new role" entry if 
> there is not yet any text there.
>
> Once there's text in the "enter new role" entry, clicking on the cells 
> in the second row cause new stuff to appear beneath the table, but no 
> widget in that new stuff claims focus. Only the "enter new role" entry 
> loses focus. Yay. You just have to know the stuff is there and then 
> arrow or Tab to it.
>
> Anyhoo, with any luck this particular turd is sufficiently shined up 
> to at least be moderately usable now.
>
> Please let me know what you find. Thanks!
> --joanie
>
> On 5/15/19 12:52 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> > Sorry, minor correction. The crappy HTML in question can be found here:
> >
> >
> > https://hasuraaccessibility.herokuapp.com/console/data/schema/public/tables/test/permissions 
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks again.
> >
> >
> > On 5/14/19 5:49 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> > > Stuck using this tech in a current job so I hope so.
> > >
> > >
> > > If you visit 
> > > https://hasuraaccessibility.herokuapp.com/console/data/schema/public/tables/test/modify 
> > > you'll go directly to the screen in question. It has a table with 
> > > some elements I need to click. The elements and their content are 
> > > inaccessible, but NVDA at least presents them as "column 3: 
> > > clickable, column 4: clickable, ..." and I can arrow to and 
> > > theoretically interact with them.
> > >
> > >
> > > Does Orca get enough from Firefox to at least make the fact that 
> > > empty clickables are located in those particular cells?
> > >
> > >
> > > And is there any way to accessibly interact with these? I've tried 
> > > Enter and simulated left-clicks in NVDA, but either nothing happens 
> > > or something does and I can't see it. I know Orca can't necessarily 
> > > polish a turd, but maybe it can at least soften it. :P
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks.
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