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Re: [orca-list] Lightning and TB nightly: problem to enter a schedule

Hey Jean-Philippe.
That was super helpful. Thanks! Now I can confirm the problem you describe. What seems to be going on is there is a widget which claims to be an accessible combo box (which is fine). It includes a text entry on screen (which is also fine). That's the good news. 
Unfortunately, the entry object is not exposed as a separate accessible 
object. In addition, the combo box doesn't implement the accessible text 
interface.

The reason why we care about these things is that what causes Orca to 
present text changes as a result of typing and location changes as a 
result of arrowing are accessible text events which are emitted via the 
accessible text interface. There are text changed events for insertions 
and deletions and caret moved events when you arrow within the text. 
Without a widget which implements the accessible text interface, there's 
presumably nothing to emit these needed events. Orca doesn't know 
anything happened, hence crickets. What I think would be ideal is if a 
separate text entry accessible were exposed. Perhaps as a child of the 
accessible combo box.

These problems can be seen in Accerciser without Orca running. I know 
that Alex and Samuel each have experience using Accerciser to identify 
and report issues such as those you describe. Therefore, it would be 
great if you could work with them to report these issues to Mozilla.

Lastly, regarding what I'd prefer you test: I encourage you to test 
whatever you want. Regardless of what you test, there's an excellent 
chance I will ask you follow-up questions. :) For instance, if you test 
in an older version, I may ask you if you can reproduce it in a newer 
version (because maybe the problem has already been fixed). If you test 
in a bleeding-edge version, I may ask you if you can reproduce it in the 
stable version (because maybe it's a recent regression). In other words, 
you cannot win. <grin> Jokes aside, I ask these questions because the 
answers save me time in pinpointing where the problem might be, both in 
terms of Orca versus not Orca and in terms of versions within the 
software. And the quicker we can figure out what needs to be fixed 
where, the quicker we can fix it.

Thanks again!
--joanie

On 1/14/19 5:50 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:

Oh TB nightly is a mess! :) Devs are aware of it. I wanted to be able to 
anticipate bugs to help fixing them but...

Well. Here is the situation I understand after chat on #maildev:
- I use TB 66 0a1 (2019-01-14).

- the approach they suggest is: disable your current lightning. Restart 
TB. Remove lightning. Restart TB. A new lightning extension will appear, 
from TB nightly, impossible to remove but activable. Enable it.

I hope it helps you. If you would prefer me to test things on a more 
stable version, tell me.

Regards


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Le 14/01/2019 à 23:23, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :

The add-on manager won't let me install it because it claims it is not
compatible. What is the version number of your thunderbird nightly?

--joanie

On 1/14/19 5:07 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:

Le 14/01/2019 à 20:24, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :

Hi Jean-Philippe.

I cannot reproduce this with Thunderbird stable (60.4.0). Orca presents
the date field and keyboard events to me. Since you mentioned TB

Indeed.


nightly, I installed the latest version of Thunderbird from the nightly
builds. Lightning is disabled for me and claims to be incompatible with
the unstable version of Thunderbird. So.... What version of Thunderbird
are you using exactly?

In TB tree of the binary nightly, you have an "extensions" folder,
containing xpi, amongst which you have calendar. You can install it
manually through Browse in the addon manager. It is the "official"
Mozilla supported lightning.

Best regards


Thanks!
--joanie

On 1/14/19 8:08 AM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:

Hi,

1. ctrl-i to create the event
2. tab until the date field. When entering the date, no feedback from
Orca. Neither when I type, nor when I review via arrow keys.

3. tab until time field. No feedback as entering and review. To 
know the

date, tab then shift-tab display the actual time. This workaround (tab
and shift-tab) does not work with the date field.

What kind of bug should I report? Thunderbird/Calendar? Orca?

Thanks

Regards



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