Re: [orca-list] Orca's next paragraph keystroke

[Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>]

Thinking about this some more: What if p moved you to the next paragraph 
or heading even if that heading weren't a paragraph? Then Orca would not 
be skipping over headings without announcing them, but it also wouldn't 
be risking making bogus connections between headings and paragraphs.

--joanie

On 8/7/19 8:32 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hi Alex.
>
> I'm aware of that complaint from you already. However the problem is 
> that we cannot guarantee that a given heading/title is associated with a 
> given paragraph. Consider something like this:
>
> <div>
>    <h1>Title 1<h1>
> </div>
> <p>content 1</p>
> <h1>Title for a group of links</h1>
> <ol><li>link 1</li><li>link 2</li></ol>
> <div>some other stuff</div>
> <p>A paragraph that has nothing to do with those links.</p>
>
> There is nothing that connects the headings to the paragraphs. We could 
> guess that the paragraph which appears earlier in the accessibility tree 
> is the one to present. However, as you can see above, we cannot always 
> rely upon there always being a heading for a given paragraph. Should 
> Orca present "Title for a group of links" when you press p and move from 
> "content 1" to "A paragraph that has nothing to do with those links."?
>
> How does NVDA manage to get the headings right 100% of the time? If you 
> can provide that information, I can try to implement something similar 
> when I get back from vacation.
>
> Thanks!
> --joanie
>
> On 8/7/19 4:59 AM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote:
> > Le 06/08/2019 à 20:00, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
> > > If, hypothetically, I were to create a command and bind it to 
> > > Ctrl+Up/Down, how would Orca reliably identify what a paragraph 
> > > (using your word) is. How would that be different from something with 
> > > the accessible role of paragraph? And how would it also be different 
> > > from where you land when you press o? I cannot make a new command 
> > > without a very clear definition of what that command should do.
> >
> > It's also a request of few Hypra users to be able to move by paragraph 
> > like NVDA does.
> >
> > The first complain I hear is: moving by paragraph without having the 
> > context is not practical. For example if we've this:
> > * paragraph 1
> > * paragraph 2
> > * title
> > * paragraph 3
> >
> > Orca will read paragraph 1, 2 then 3 without moving on title so the 
> > user is not informed of the context.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Alex.
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