Re: [orca-list] Orca's next paragraph keystroke

[Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>]

Hi Alex.

I'm aware of that complaint from you already. However the problem is 
that we cannot guarantee that a given heading/title is associated with a 
given paragraph. Consider something like this:

<div>
  <h1>Title 1<h1>
</div>
<p>content 1</p>
<h1>Title for a group of links</h1>
<ol><li>link 1</li><li>link 2</li></ol>
<div>some other stuff</div>
<p>A paragraph that has nothing to do with those links.</p>

There is nothing that connects the headings to the paragraphs. We could 
guess that the paragraph which appears earlier in the accessibility tree 
is the one to present. However, as you can see above, we cannot always 
rely upon there always being a heading for a given paragraph. Should 
Orca present "Title for a group of links" when you press p and move from 
"content 1" to "A paragraph that has nothing to do with those links."?

How does NVDA manage to get the headings right 100% of the time? If you 
can provide that information, I can try to implement something similar 
when I get back from vacation.

Thanks!
--joanie

On 8/7/19 4:59 AM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote:
> Le 06/08/2019 à 20:00, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
> > If, hypothetically, I were to create a command and bind it to 
> > Ctrl+Up/Down, how would Orca reliably identify what a paragraph (using 
> > your word) is. How would that be different from something with the 
> > accessible role of paragraph? And how would it also be different from 
> > where you land when you press o? I cannot make a new command without a 
> > very clear definition of what that command should do.
>
> It's also a request of few Hypra users to be able to move by paragraph 
> like NVDA does.
>
> The first complain I hear is: moving by paragraph without having the 
> context is not practical. For example if we've this:
> * paragraph 1
> * paragraph 2
> * title
> * paragraph 3
>
> Orca will read paragraph 1, 2 then 3 without moving on title so the user 
> is not informed of the context.
>
> Best regards,
> Alex.
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