Re: [orca-list] Mint or Ubuntu, which has more accessible Mate?

[kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>]

hi

I'm no expert, nor engineer, but my opinion is that either mint or 
ubuntu should be equally accessible, as long as a couple of things are 
done. First, mint uses slick greeter, and we already know that's 
accessible. They also use mate, which is accessible. The one thing they 
might not do is set up all of the accessibility bits. This means you 
might not be able to press "alt+win+s" to start orca, but you'd have to 
press alt+f2 and type "orca" to get it going. Once that's done, orca 
should work normally, then you can add the shortcut to launch orca, 
which is in mate's keyboard shortcuts, it just needs to be set. The one 
time I had a chat with clem, the maintainer of mint he was very nice. 
I'd heard from people on hear and general rumors that he was one of 
those I'm not doing a thing for accessibility people, but he wasn't like 
that at all. Immediately added orca into mint, ... I think it might've 
been 15.04, and that was their cinnamon edition. Cinnamon still has a 
bunch of accessibility issues so it isn't ready for us to use, yet. But 
mate is more than enough. Ubuntu mate do a lot of work to make sure 
accessibility works out of the box, and this can all be done by mint if 
they don't already do it. What I need to do is see if I can get ahold of 
the mint  mate devs, to see if I can persuade them to add the gsettings 
glue, which is what makes the keyboard shortcut work, causes orca to 
start automatically, and generally just work. Mint might not include 
orca by default in mate, I need to download an image to be sure, but 
this is easily fixable. One thing I'd also like to fix is other 
accessibility apps, like onboard, and a good magnifier for those that 
need them. If those in your company love ubuntu, they shouldn't have any 
problem with mint, unless maybe they use specialized proprietary apps 
that will only work in ubuntu? Although those should work in mint unless 
they're extremely hard coded. You might also be able to fool them into 
thinking you run ubuntu. All of the ubuntu wallpapers, themes, icons, 
fonts and so on are open, although the logos aren't open, and as far as 
I know can only be used by "official" ubuntu flavors, but the wallpapers 
and such are all open.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



On 03/21/2018 04:27 AM, Krishnakant Mane wrote:
> Hi alex,
>
> That is a good suggestion.
>
> But there are a few things I have to consider.
>
> Firstly our company entirely uses Ubuntu.
>
> It has a professional team and every one else is pretty much satisfied
> with it.
>
> Secondly, some emails on this thread suggest that Ubuntu-mate
> accessibility has really really improved.
>
> Third problem is that till date I could not have a talking installation
> for Debian going for me.
>
> I do use Debian for some mission critical servers for sure.
>
> But I have been so far happy with Ubuntu on the desktop.
>
> Just that Unity is going and now we must have a choice.
>
> Happy hacking.
>
> Krishnakant.
>
>
> On 03/20/2018 10:24 PM, Alex ARNAUD wrote:
> > Hello Krishnakant,
> >
> > Why you want only Ubuntu and Mint? Debian seems a better choice for
> > accessibility needs. There is a dedicated accessibility team and if
> > you encounter any issues, you'll find help and people able to fix
> > them. On Ubuntu you can only expect that it works and if not, you'll
> > have difficulties to make a11y bugs fixed.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Alex.
> >
> > Le 19/03/2018 à 04:31, Krishnakant Mane a écrit :
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > I think the subject line says it all.
> > >
> > > I am planning to finally shift to Mate given it's serge
> > >
> > > in Development and improvements in accessibility.
> > >
> > > Now the question is which distro to choose?
> > >
> > > Will Ubuntu 18.04 have the correct Mate version for accessibility?
> > >
> > > Or should I go for Mint version of Mate?
> > >
> > > By the way which is the currently most accessible version of Mate?
> > >
> > > By accessibility I expect the panels and notifications to be announced
> > > properly, wifi strength and security status be reported and overall UI
> > > accessibility.
> > >
> > > Regards.
> > >
> > > Krishnakant.
> > >
> > >
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