Re: [orca-list] Drag and Drop with Orca

[Mallory <stommepoes stommepoes nl>]

Drag and drop is a pain in the butt with other screen readers too. It's definitely faulty software that has 
that be the sole method of doing an important task-- something that would absolutely fail an accessibility 
audit. Technically I'm supposed to be able to do it with Dragon using the mouse-move commands but my copy of 
13 seems to have a bug wherein once I get the mouse moving, I can no longer control it. No DnD in Dragon for 
me :(

I am hoping something from the old DnD spec (aria authoring practices 1.0) will appear in 1.2 in a way more 
consumable for browsers and AT vendors though. I thought the simple version (tab to draggable item, press 
spacebar to select, tab or arrow over to destination bin, hit enter to drop), while not hitting the 
multi-select use cases, was something authors could do, if we had a stable spec and if AT could recognise 
what these regions were. Hooking into existing setups like in Thunderbird almost sounds like it would be a 
very Thunderbird-specific fix, unless most apps on Linux are implementing it the same way.

cheers,
_mallory

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018, at 6:39 PM, Alex ARNAUD wrote:
> Le 13/04/2018 à 18:29, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
> > It is still on my list, so I hope so. At the moment, I am still dealing
> > with time-sensitive tasks associated with my being co-chair of the W3C's
> > ARIA Working Group. I also have Samuel's multi-label request and
> > Jean-Philippe's braille issue, plus other bugs.
> >
> > I wish that your pinging me would magically make all those other things
> > get done so I could focus on drag and drop, but it won't. Neither will a
> > bounty -- unless it's to pay someone else to do the work and that person
> > provides a sane solution. Neither will asking my employer (who wants me
> > to work less and take holiday time; not work more). I'm truly sorry.
>
> Thank you for your detailed answer Joanie.
>
> I'm trying as much as possible to give you feedback what user requested 
> and what it looks like to me a rational request.
>
> Hope that helps :).
>
> Best regards,
> Alex.
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