Nah, not really, it’s more the suddenness of it all. Luke’s been a fixture of Linux since I first played with it back in 2011, and then he’s just … gone. Jonathan duddington vanished suddenly just like that, although luke at least wrote a goodbye email. No idea what those priorities are either, but I have a couple of guesses. I will note that open source work can be some mighty thankless work sometimes, when you put your heart into something and get not much but taken for granted by people or that it’s simply what they’re due, not that anyone hear has ever acted like that. Also, there’s always the shadow of the big companies that you never seem to make a dent in, and that can ware on a person as well. I’ve never developed code, but I have been involved in developing a Linux distribution and it is very hard. A lot of pieces have to mesh properly or stuff just doesn’t work, and when stuff doesn’t work it’s usually the software’s fault in the eyes of users. Even I stoop to that occasionally, especially if a bug is very very annoying, and I freely admit I’m not the most patient person. Joanmeri handles me better than most do, and she’s more diplomatic than me. Were I faced with a response from a user like mine I’d either stew, say nothing or most likely dump all over some poor user who’s just tired of a particular bug and drive him right back to the arms of those anonymous companies.
Well, I only know what Luke posted when he announced he was moving on to other things and that was that he just had other things in his life that had become priorities and he wanted to focus on them for a while. I get that. I don't know if there's any more to it than that, and I don't exactly know what those other priorities are, but I could take a guess or two. I wouldn't exactly say that no one knows what happened, unless you think there's more to it then what Luke stated.
Hi
What exactly did happen with luke? Kyle gave me another of his windows is evil rants, drove me away for a month or so, I came back, and oh by the way luke quit. No one seems to know what happened. I’ve seen him answer emails, but he doesn’t seem to be doing any more development. Did he just burn out? Run out of money? I was donating to him on his … patreon, I think it was, page? But he insisted to me that he was fine as far as finances went, and then poof, he’s gone. As for us getting lost, I couldn’t agree more. I admit, I used to hold hypra in mild contempt, but now I’m grateful for their efforts. Not their work, it was the proprietary speech engines and ocr engines I didn’t like, but shrug, you gotta start somewhere to get the bugs fixed. I believe they accept donations, but don’t quote me on that, I’m not positive. I work for a competing effort, the Linux accessibility project, although we’re mostly about documentation, making sure the accessibility docs don’t suck aren’t geared mainly towards developers with deep knowledge of the underlying stuff, like the docs are currently. Samuel as well as … I’m probably going to mangle this, ditier? Has been very patient and helpful, with me especially since I tend to judge with very little in the way of evidence, I’m working on that but to wind my long rant down, we should keep up with bug reports, report continuously any issues we run across, I for instance am having some very very exasperating issues with orca where it will freeze, continue running but not speak until about five or ten minutes into a running session, after that it will miraculously start working again. Joanie has gotten debug logs, can’t find anything, so says it’s a rogue app. Possible, but I can’t find anything obvious. My cpu, memory, GPU all seem to be more or less at idle, no obvious hogs, no obvious slow startups, everything works but orca for about ten minutes then it’s as if there are no issues. The icon naming issue peter reports is a constant annoyance, even a folder with a few items is noticeably laggy as orca very slowly navigates them.
Thanks
Kendell Clark
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From: Peter Vágner
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 6:18 AM
To: kendell clark
Cc: orca-list
Subject: Re: [orca-list] When opening a folder with lot of files in it withOrca, it is very slow.
Hello,
If I were able to donate some funds, I would send all of them towards Samuel who is doing his best in order to revive some awesome a11y development for linux under hypra's umbrella. At least this is what I'm seeing on various bug trackers and email lists including Libreoffice, Mozilla, Mate, Gnome and all of GTK, speech-dispatcher, brltty and many more.
Without his dedication we would get lost even sooner.
We need to do something to avoid happening the same thing what has happened to Luke.
I'm going to see if there is a way to donate either personally to Samuel or to Hypra.
Greetings
Peter
hi
Cannot agree more, this issue needs to be fixed and stay fixed.
On 04/10/2018 02:20 PM, Fernando Botelho wrote:
> This issue has been a problem for quite some time now. Does anyone
> know how a dev or two could go about figuring a way to fix this?
>
>
> Fernando
>
>
>
> On 04/09/2018 07:08 AM, Nick Wood wrote:
>> On 09/04/18 10:53, Rob wrote:
>>> Nick Wood <nick microlitesoftware co uk> wrote:
>>>> Being able to view a folder in a file manager that has a large
>>>> number of
>>>> items is about as fundamental as it gets.
>>>>
>>>> Its not a problem on Windows with NVDA. Its not a problem on Mac with
>>>> VoiceOver. Its not even a problem on Android with Google TalkBack.
>>>> Its
>>>> only a problem on Linux with Orca.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's fundamental, all right. But all of those have different
>>> accessibility stacks. So yes, they are completely different from
>>> each other. Each one handles things differently at a low level. So I
>>> don't think it's really fair to compare tasks between two operating
>>> systems.
>>
>> Well, whatever the underlying reason, Windows handles it far better
>> than Linux. That's the perspective of an end user who just wants to
>> get their work done.
>>
>> I can plug my girlfriend's Android phone into my Fedora PC and
>> Nautilus will hang whilst trying to display her folder of photos.
>>
>> I can plug the same phone into Windows 7 (running on less powerful
>> hardware) and it is perfectly snappy.
>>
>> Therefore, with my developer hat on, I assume that the underlying
>> subsystems and APIs on Windows have been far better implemented than
>> the GTK/ATK accessibility stack on Linux.
>>
>> That is not a criticism of anyone - particularly those on this list -
>> it is just a fact of life.
>>
>> Perhaps by comparing Linux and Windows more often we can identify the
>> things that Linux is pretty poor at, and eventually try and put them
>> right.
>>
>> However you look at it, the accessibility stack on Linux has some
>> pretty serious performance issues when dealing with large quantities
>> of objects.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Nick
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