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I agree,
Being a founder and leader of an open source accounting software
myself, I know how things fluctuate in terms of highs and lows in
contributions and how that impacts the project itself.
Some times it is really a thankless job, specially when one is
writing some libraries or important middle ware which is not
actually visible to end users.
Some times the market forces are driven by several undercurrents
which can sabotage the funding and even human resources by which
ever means.
Companies often lay off a person or people just because they
don't see serious profit in that work.
Some times proprietary companies get a say into stuff and
programmers do get affected.
All said and done, consistent and persistent progress of any free
software certainly needs a lot more than just thankless work which
many of us here do often.
Fortunately my project GNUKhata is well funded and the company
has a strong reason for promoting it.
But This too started as a thankless job.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
On Thursday 12 April 2018 09:39 PM,
endell clark wrote:
Hi
Nah, not really, it’s more the suddenness
of it all. Luke’s been a fixture of Linux since I first played
with it back in 2011, and then he’s just … gone. Jonathan
duddington vanished suddenly just like that, although luke at
least wrote a goodbye email. No idea what those priorities are
either, but I have a couple of guesses. I will note that open
source work can be some mighty thankless work sometimes, when
you put your heart into something and get not much but taken
for granted by people or that it’s simply what they’re due,
not that anyone hear has ever acted like that. Also, there’s
always the shadow of the big companies that you never seem to
make a dent in, and that can ware on a person as well. I’ve
never developed code, but I have been involved in developing a
Linux distribution and it is very hard. A lot of pieces have
to mesh properly or stuff just doesn’t work, and when stuff
doesn’t work it’s usually the software’s fault in the eyes of
users. Even I stoop to that occasionally, especially if a bug
is very very annoying, and I freely admit I’m not the most
patient person. Joanmeri handles me better than most do, and
she’s more diplomatic than me. Were I faced with a response
from a user like mine I’d either stew, say nothing or most
likely dump all over some poor user who’s just tired of a
particular bug and drive him right back to the arms of those
anonymous companies.
Thanks
Kendell Clark
Well, I only know what Luke posted when he announced he was
moving on to other things and that was that he just had other
things in his life that had become priorities and he wanted to
focus on them for a while. I get that. I don't know if there's
any more to it than that, and I don't exactly know what those
other priorities are, but I could take a guess or two. I
wouldn't exactly say that no one knows what happened, unless
you think there's more to it then what Luke stated.
On 04/11/2018 11:01 AM, endell
clark wrote:
Hi
What exactly did happen with luke?
Kyle gave me another of his windows is evil rants, drove
me away for a month or so, I came back, and oh by the way
luke quit. No one seems to know what happened. I’ve seen
him answer emails, but he doesn’t seem to be doing any
more development. Did he just burn out? Run out of money?
I was donating to him on his … patreon, I think it was,
page? But he insisted to me that he was fine as far as
finances went, and then poof, he’s gone. As for us getting
lost, I couldn’t agree more. I admit, I used to hold hypra
in mild contempt, but now I’m grateful for their efforts.
Not their work, it was the proprietary speech engines and
ocr engines I didn’t like, but shrug, you gotta start
somewhere to get the bugs fixed. I believe they accept
donations, but don’t quote me on that, I’m not positive. I
work for a competing effort, the Linux accessibility
project, although we’re mostly about documentation, making
sure the accessibility docs don’t suck aren’t geared
mainly towards developers with deep knowledge of the
underlying stuff, like the docs are currently. Samuel as
well as … I’m probably going to mangle this, ditier? Has
been very patient and helpful, with me especially since I
tend to judge with very little in the way of evidence, I’m
working on that but to wind my long rant down, we should
keep up with bug reports, report continuously any issues
we run across, I for instance am having some very very
exasperating issues with orca where it will freeze,
continue running but not speak until about five or ten
minutes into a running session, after that it will
miraculously start working again. Joanie has gotten debug
logs, can’t find anything, so says it’s a rogue app.
Possible, but I can’t find anything obvious. My cpu,
memory, GPU all seem to be more or less at idle, no
obvious hogs, no obvious slow startups, everything works
but orca for about ten minutes then it’s as if there are
no issues. The icon naming issue peter reports is a
constant annoyance, even a folder with a few items is
noticeably laggy as orca very slowly navigates them.
Thanks
Kendell Clark
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Peter Vágner
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 6:18 AM
To: kendell clark
Cc: orca-list
Subject: Re: [orca-list] When opening a folder
with lot of files in it withOrca, it is very slow.
Hello,
If I were able to donate some funds, I would send all of
them towards Samuel who is doing his best in order to revive
some awesome a11y development for linux under hypra's
umbrella. At least this is what I'm seeing on various bug
trackers and email lists including Libreoffice, Mozilla,
Mate, Gnome and all of GTK, speech-dispatcher, brltty and
many more.
Without his dedication we would get lost even sooner.
We need to do something to avoid happening the same thing
what has happened to Luke.
I'm going to see if there is a way to donate either
personally to Samuel or to Hypra.
Greetings
Peter
hi
Cannot agree more, this issue needs to be fixed and stay
fixed.
On 04/10/2018 02:20 PM, Fernando Botelho wrote:
> This issue has been a problem for quite some time
now. Does anyone
> know how a dev or two could go about figuring a way
to fix this?
>
>
> Fernando
>
>
>
> On 04/09/2018 07:08 AM, Nick Wood wrote:
>> On 09/04/18 10:53, Rob wrote:
>>> Nick Wood <nick microlitesoftware co uk>
wrote:
>>>> Being able to view a folder in a file
manager that has a large
>>>> number of
>>>> items is about as fundamental as it gets.
>>>>
>>>> Its not a problem on Windows with NVDA.
Its not a problem on Mac with
>>>> VoiceOver. Its not even a problem on
Android with Google TalkBack.
>>>> Its
>>>> only a problem on Linux with Orca.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's fundamental, all right. But all of
those have different
>>> accessibility stacks. So yes, they are
completely different from
>>> each other. Each one handles things
differently at a low level. So I
>>> don't think it's really fair to compare tasks
between two operating
>>> systems.
>>
>> Well, whatever the underlying reason, Windows
handles it far better
>> than Linux. That's the perspective of an end user
who just wants to
>> get their work done.
>>
>> I can plug my girlfriend's Android phone into my
Fedora PC and
>> Nautilus will hang whilst trying to display her
folder of photos.
>>
>> I can plug the same phone into Windows 7 (running
on less powerful
>> hardware) and it is perfectly snappy.
>>
>> Therefore, with my developer hat on, I assume
that the underlying
>> subsystems and APIs on Windows have been far
better implemented than
>> the GTK/ATK accessibility stack on Linux.
>>
>> That is not a criticism of anyone - particularly
those on this list -
>> it is just a fact of life.
>>
>> Perhaps by comparing Linux and Windows more often
we can identify the
>> things that Linux is pretty poor at, and
eventually try and put them
>> right.
>>
>> However you look at it, the accessibility stack
on Linux has some
>> pretty serious performance issues when dealing
with large quantities
>> of objects.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Nick
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