Re: [orca-list] Questions about browsing a web page

Title: signature_jp_2

Just tested with 3.24, same behavior.


Le 25/06/2017 à 15:21, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL a écrit :

Le 25/06/2017 à 12:47, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
Hi Jean-Philippe.

Regarding items 2 and 3: Gecko does not implement support for getting
the text by sentence. In addition, there are many Gecko text bugs. In
addition, without those text bugs, trying to heuristically guess what a
paragraph should be would be challenging. So, no.
As we are in a big process of referencing the most problematic bugs in
Firefox/Mozilla, don't hesitate to tell me bugs which should be fixed
and are not, related to that.

Regarding item 4, if you're moving the caret and then use 8, 5, and 2,
the flat review cursor should be at the same location as the caret. Thus
8, 5, and 2 are the commands to read the text at the caret. If you've
moved the flat review cursor around so that it is no longer with the
caret, you can press minus twice to exit and re-enter flat review. This
will trigger a refresh of the flat review content and then 8, 5, and 2
should once again read the location of the caret.
Unfortunately no. In Mozilla I have never had the flat review at the
same point at the caret. I did a test with Thunderbird 45 and Orca 3.22
(3.24 comes to Debian soon). Here is my log:

Maybe things change in newest releases?

This log shows:
- I browse your mail with caret, I down on a few lines
- I stop and press 8
- The flat review is at the first line of the mail
- If I press 9, it goes down skipping a part of the message and not
joining the caret
- the same if I press minus twice

Telll me if I should confirm testing a newer Orca. The asynchronous
moving between caret and flat review is ont of the biggest pain I
havehad in Mozilla for years. If flat review is the only way to make
Orca say the current item, this problem because more interesting to be

Best regards,


On 06/24/2017 10:26 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:
1. Many thanks, I really did not know this setting.

2. p and shift-p work fine yes, but the HTML needs to be structured
properly. On other pages, would not be possible to make ctrl-arrow keys
to work? Or is ti a totally different way to deal with contents and not
possible to do if the web page is not structured correctly?

3. In the same idea, is there a way to navigate from a sentence to
another? Easy to implement?

4. Last thing (sorry for flood but I am reading a very interesting doc
which I use to create a tutorial and I see new questions about Orca):
how can I make Orca say the character, line and work where is located
the caret? If I use 8, 5 and 2, it says the flat review content. But
what about the caret? So far, to get the info, I do right-left key and
hope I will understand the character returned by Orca. Is there a
solution I dont know?

Many thanks

Best regards,

Best regards,

Le 24/06/2017 à 21:14, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
On 06/24/2017 02:36 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:

1. Is there a way, or an item in todo list, to get: when you read a page
with Say all the document, pressing right shift would go to the next
sentence or item, down key to the next paragraph, h to the next title,
etc. A kind of quick navigation in Say all mode.

2. Is there a way to navigate from paragraph in paragraph with
ctrl-arrows down and up, just like in Libreoffice? Or just p and shift-p
should be usedN
P and Shift P.


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