Re: [orca-list] Questions about browsing a web page

[Jean-Philippe MENGUAL <jpmengual hypra fr>]

Hi,


Le 25/06/2017 à 12:47, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
> Hi Jean-Philippe.
>
> Regarding items 2 and 3: Gecko does not implement support for getting
> the text by sentence. In addition, there are many Gecko text bugs. In
> addition, without those text bugs, trying to heuristically guess what a
> paragraph should be would be challenging. So, no.

As we are in a big process of referencing the most problematic bugs in
Firefox/Mozilla, don't hesitate to tell me bugs which should be fixed
and are not, related to that.

> Regarding item 4, if you're moving the caret and then use 8, 5, and 2,
> the flat review cursor should be at the same location as the caret. Thus
> 8, 5, and 2 are the commands to read the text at the caret. If you've
> moved the flat review cursor around so that it is no longer with the
> caret, you can press minus twice to exit and re-enter flat review. This
> will trigger a refresh of the flat review content and then 8, 5, and 2
> should once again read the location of the caret.

Unfortunately no. In Mozilla I have never had the flat review at the
same point at the caret. I did a test with Thunderbird 45 and Orca 3.22
(3.24 comes to Debian soon). Here is my log:
https://framadrop.org/r/60gozKENVe#bNyyVjSfe8K1BEMw0QVFyCN0U6nfqKIQcWWpqq3F6tw=

Maybe things change in newest releases?

This log shows:
- I browse your mail with caret, I down on a few lines
- I stop and press 8
- The flat review is at the first line of the mail
- If I press 9, it goes down skipping a part of the message and not
joining the caret
- the same if I press minus twice

Telll me if I should confirm testing a newer Orca. The asynchronous
moving between caret and flat review is ont of the biggest pain I
havehad in Mozilla for years. If flat review is the only way to make
Orca say the current item, this problem because more interesting to be
reported.


Best regards,

> --joanie
>
> On 06/24/2017 10:26 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:
> > 1. Many thanks, I really did not know this setting.
> >
> > 2. p and shift-p work fine yes, but the HTML needs to be structured
> > properly. On other pages, would not be possible to make ctrl-arrow keys
> > to work? Or is ti a totally different way to deal with contents and not
> > possible to do if the web page is not structured correctly?
> >
> > 3. In the same idea, is there a way to navigate from a sentence to
> > another? Easy to implement?
> >
> > 4. Last thing (sorry for flood but I am reading a very interesting doc
> > which I use to create a tutorial and I see new questions about Orca):
> > how can I make Orca say the character, line and work where is located
> > the caret? If I use 8, 5 and 2, it says the flat review content. But
> > what about the caret? So far, to get the info, I do right-left key and
> > hope I will understand the character returned by Orca. Is there a
> > solution I dont know?
> >
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 24/06/2017 à 21:14, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
> > > On 06/24/2017 02:36 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:
> > >
> > > > 1. Is there a way, or an item in todo list, to get: when you read a page
> > > > with Say all the document, pressing right shift would go to the next
> > > > sentence or item, down key to the next paragraph, h to the next title,
> > > > etc. A kind of quick navigation in Say all mode.
> > > https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/preferences_general.html#navigation_in_say_all
> > >
> > > > 2. Is there a way to navigate from paragraph in paragraph with
> > > > ctrl-arrows down and up, just like in Libreoffice? Or just p and shift-p
> > > > should be usedN
> > > P and Shift P.
> > >
> > > --joanie
> >
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