Re: [orca-list] Defaulting to command line instead of Gnome or Mate

["B. Henry" <burt1iband gmail com>]

The beauty of Linux, more than one way to get the same or similar functionality.
I use fluxbox for some of the reasons that Storm uses ratpoison, much lighter than mate, which is lighter 
than gnome which is in turn lighter than unity.
I prefer multiple consoles in most cases to screen, but do install screen on my machines in case. 
9 or 10 consoles is plenty for me, but I always do add at least a couple over the default 6, (seven if you 
count an extra for the GUI on most mainstream 
distros.
To give one comparison, and there are many that can be made, my fluxbox starts in half the time that mate 
would take if started on the same hardware, in 
both cases already booted in to consoles.
On my netbook unity took quite a while to start, but was faster than a somewhat comparible windows situation.
Remember we are talking boot time, i.e. to get to a log-in screen wheterh text or GUI, and then startup time 
to get a gui up and running to the point where 
one can work using orca for feedback.
Ratpoison and fluxbox aregenerally reffered to as window managers as opposed to graphical desktops, but 
Storm's system and mine build on the window manager 
base to create something equivalent to a Desktop.

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  Storm Dragon wrote:
Fri, Sep 09, 2016 at 09:20:24PM -0400

> Howdy,
> I am in fact blind. So much so that my computer doesn't currently have a screen hooked up to it. I chose 
> ratpoison because it is extremely light weight, and thanks to a bit of scripting, it is very accessible.
> But now, I have a couple questions for  Janina. First, can you send me that script too? I'm just curious 
> how it works/want to learn from it. Second, have you ever heard of screen, and if so why not use it? You 
> don't need 24 consoles open when you can have unlimited applications running in 1 console, plus a second 
> one for X. This is another reason why I chose ratpoison, it's a very screen-like interface, so it makes X 
> seem more like an extention of the console.
> Thanks
> Storm
> On Fri, Sep 09, 2016 at 09:34:15PM -0300, Fernando Botelho wrote:
> > Dear Janina,
> >
> > it is great to hear from you. Thank you very much for your software
> > setup description.
> >
> > I would indeed love to try the script you are using. Please let me know
> > how I may obtain it. Our experimental computer uses ARCH, if that makes
> > any difference.
> >
> > Another detailed email sent earlier by Storm, kindly suggested a
> > software called RatPoison. However, you seem to be achieving the same
> > result with standard OS tools. Is the difference that RatPoison offers a
> > visually more appealing configuration or is it something else?  I
> > automatically assumed that Storm was blind, but maybe he has low vision,
> > or maybe there is another aspect of using RatPoison that may have
> > attracted him to that solution. Any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Fernando
> >
> >
> > On 09/09/2016 06:00 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > Hi, Fernando:
> > >
> > > The short answer is "yes."
> > >
> > > The somewhat longer answer ...
> > >
> > > You can have both environments active at the same time and simply switch
> > > among them whenever you want to do that. You use CTRL+Alt plus one of
> > > the function keys to switch around your various consoles. Note that, on
> > > most distros by default, and certainly by design if you need to tweak
> > > things, it's easy to have up to 24 consoles open at any time, because
> > > the Ctrl+Alt to the left of the spacebar is treated differently from the
> > > Ctrl+Alt to the right of the spacebar.
> > >
> > > My setup is in fact that elaborate. And, yes, I really do use all 24
> > > consoles. Actually, I personally use them in a fairly rigorous way, e.g.
> > > my graphical desktop with Orca is always on Ctrl+Alt+F1, where as my
> > > mutt email client is always on Ctrl+Alt+F10.
> > >
> > > Special Note: You can dispense with the Ctrl key when switching among
> > > text consoles. You need it only when exiting from the graphical desktop.
> > >
> > > The classic Linux/Unix installation gives you 6 consoles. For my
> > > purposes I've actually reduced this to one by default on boot. Then, I
> > > use a script that calls the command openvt in a for loop to open
> > > consoles 2 through 24 for me. I do it this way because it's actually
> > > tedious to have to log in to each console by hand. I'd rather login
> > > once, and let the script open my remaining consoles for me. Let me know
> > > if you'd like this script.
> > >
> > > PS: To get the text console as the default login you need to observe how
> > > your distribution does that.
> > >
> > > If your distribution uses systemd, you would, as root, do:
> > >
> > > systemctl set-default multi-user.target
> > >
> > > With the above executed successfully, the next time you boot, you'll come to a text login screen on 
> > > tty1.
> > >
> > > Then, to launch the graphical environment, you could do:
> > >
> > > startx
> > >
> > > Or you might do:
> > >
> > > systemctl isolate graphical.target
> > >
> > > hth
> > >
> > > Janina
> > >
> > > Fernando Botelho writes:
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I am trying to help someone with very unusual requirements and the following
> > > > has come up:
> > > >
> > > > On the F123 distro, and just about every other one I have seen, one boots
> > > > into the graphical user interface and uses the Terminal on occasion.
> > > >
> > > > My question is:  is it just as easy and practical for someone to boot into
> > > > the command line, use it with SpeakUp most of the time, and then open Gnome
> > > > or Mate and use it with Orca for specific tasks? Would switching back and
> > > > forth be as smooth as it is to jump into the Terminal from Gnome?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Fernando
> > > >
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