Re: [orca-list] Defaulting to command line instead of Gnome or Mate



Howdy,
I am in fact blind. So much so that my computer doesn't currently have a screen hooked up to it. I chose 
ratpoison because it is extremely light weight, and thanks to a bit of scripting, it is very accessible.
But now, I have a couple questions for  Janina. First, can you send me that script too? I'm just curious how 
it works/want to learn from it. Second, have you ever heard of screen, and if so why not use it? You don't 
need 24 consoles open when you can have unlimited applications running in 1 console, plus a second one for X. 
This is another reason why I chose ratpoison, it's a very screen-like interface, so it makes X seem more like 
an extention of the console.
Thanks
Storm
On Fri, Sep 09, 2016 at 09:34:15PM -0300, Fernando Botelho wrote:
Dear Janina,

it is great to hear from you. Thank you very much for your software setup description.

I would indeed love to try the script you are using. Please let me know how I may obtain it. Our experimental computer uses ARCH, if that makes any difference.

Another detailed email sent earlier by Storm, kindly suggested a software called RatPoison. However, you seem to be achieving the same result with standard OS tools. Is the difference that RatPoison offers a visually more appealing configuration or is it something else? I automatically assumed that Storm was blind, but maybe he has low vision, or maybe there is another aspect of using RatPoison that may have attracted him to that solution. Any ideas?

Thanks again,

Fernando


On 09/09/2016 06:00 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
Hi, Fernando:

The short answer is "yes."

The somewhat longer answer ...

You can have both environments active at the same time and simply switch
among them whenever you want to do that. You use CTRL+Alt plus one of
the function keys to switch around your various consoles. Note that, on
most distros by default, and certainly by design if you need to tweak
things, it's easy to have up to 24 consoles open at any time, because
the Ctrl+Alt to the left of the spacebar is treated differently from the
Ctrl+Alt to the right of the spacebar.

My setup is in fact that elaborate. And, yes, I really do use all 24
consoles. Actually, I personally use them in a fairly rigorous way, e.g.
my graphical desktop with Orca is always on Ctrl+Alt+F1, where as my
mutt email client is always on Ctrl+Alt+F10.

Special Note: You can dispense with the Ctrl key when switching among
text consoles. You need it only when exiting from the graphical desktop.

The classic Linux/Unix installation gives you 6 consoles. For my
purposes I've actually reduced this to one by default on boot. Then, I
use a script that calls the command openvt in a for loop to open
consoles 2 through 24 for me. I do it this way because it's actually
tedious to have to log in to each console by hand. I'd rather login
once, and let the script open my remaining consoles for me. Let me know
if you'd like this script.

PS: To get the text console as the default login you need to observe how
your distribution does that.

If your distribution uses systemd, you would, as root, do:

systemctl set-default multi-user.target

With the above executed successfully, the next time you boot, you'll come to a text login screen on tty1.

Then, to launch the graphical environment, you could do:

startx

Or you might do:

systemctl isolate graphical.target

hth

Janina

Fernando Botelho writes:
Hi everyone,

I am trying to help someone with very unusual requirements and the following
has come up:

On the F123 distro, and just about every other one I have seen, one boots
into the graphical user interface and uses the Terminal on occasion.

My question is:  is it just as easy and practical for someone to boot into
the command line, use it with SpeakUp most of the time, and then open Gnome
or Mate and use it with Orca for specific tasks? Would switching back and
forth be as smooth as it is to jump into the Terminal from Gnome?

Thanks,

Fernando

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