Re: [orca-list] Is there a workaround for this Vim issue?

[Burt Henry <burt1iband gmail com>]

Not an answer to your question, but have you considered using consoles and 
speakup, or even yasr instead of terminal emulators?
I've found over the years that the majority of CLI applications  are more 
comfortable to use in log-in ttys, i.e. the consoles one accesses by 
pressing control alt f1-f6 or control alt f2-f7 depending on your 
distro/where the gui is launched.
There are some advantages to using terminal emulators, e.g. the ease of 
copy and paste between the cli ap and gui programs, but I find any 
disadvantages more than made up for with the better  performance I get in 
the console.
I've started auto log-in to a few consoles on distros such as Vinux where 
a DM launches the graphical desktop by default. One has already entered 
their password to log-in to the GUI session, and thus can open a terminal 
emulator with no additional PW or other security measures involved, so I 
don't see how I'm more vulnerable with  the auto-log-in.
On my Arch and Debian boxes I start the GUI on demand, so can't 
auto-log-in with out weakening security of course.

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Nolan Darilek wrote:
    17/05/2016 at 11:30

ND
NDSorry, Jann, didn't see your reply to this message until now for some reason.
ND
ND
NDInteresting re: VTE. Are there any other terminal emulator libraries out there that have the same 
accessibility support? I like Linux's command line support
NDvastly better than my Windows/NVDA experience of same, but there are a few papercuts that make some aspects 
painful and I'm wondering if there are any
NDalternatives.
ND
ND
NDAlso, I can't duplicate the issue of arrowing down and hearing the previous line's contents. I don't have a 
Braille display so can't comment on Braille
NDbehavior either. Sorry.
ND
ND
ND
NDOn 05/17/2016 11:23 AM, Rynhardt Kruger wrote:
ND      Hi,
ND
NDI believe the whitespace issue is caused by vte, as it seams to effect all terminal applications. To 
verrify:
ND
ND* In a terminal window, execute cat.
ND* press the following keys: space, space, backspace, backspace, enter, enter.
ND* Notice that the line where you just pressed enter is reported as blank, while the one where the spaces 
were deleted still contains the spaces in
NDflat review.
ND
NDRegards,
ND
NDRynhardt
ND
NDOn Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Jann Schneider <jann schneider googlemail com> wrote:
ND      Hi,
ND
ND      i can confirm this issue. Looks like it is no issue specific to neovim
ND      since i'm using the classic vim on my box.. Unfortunately i cannot
ND      provide any workaround for this.
ND
ND      btw. i'm just wondering if you have some issues i have with vim, too?
ND      - orca speaks the last word of the previous line when arrowing down to
ND      the next one
ND      - at the first line of a file the braille device displays the complete
ND      window title e.g.
ND      "gnome-terminal-server root:/etc/openvpn/openvpn.conf " and the text
ND      of the editor is appended to this stuff
ND
ND      Thanks
ND      - Jann
ND
ND      2016-05-15 15:24 GMT+02:00, Nolan Darilek <nolan thewordnerd info>:
ND      > Trying to get into using Vim over Gedit. It seems to have lots of great
ND      > ways to boost my productivity but I keep hitting issues using it in an
ND      > Orca terminal. To see this one, do the following:
ND      >
ND      >
ND      > 1. Enable the "speak indentation" setting in Orca's settings.
ND      >
ND      > 2. Run vim.
ND      >
ND      > 3. Type "a" to enter append mode.
ND      >
ND      > 4. Type all of the following between the "---" lines, not including the
ND      > "---" lines themselves:
ND      >
ND      >
ND      > ---
ND      >
ND      > Test
ND      >
ND      >    Indented line
ND      >
ND      > ---
ND      >
ND      >
ND      > Note the 2 spaces before "Indented line"
ND      >
ND      >
ND      > 5. Backspace over everything on "  Indented line", including spaces.
ND      >
ND      > 6. Press up-arrow.
ND      >
ND      > 7. Press down-arrow.
ND      >
ND      >
ND      > When I down-arrow, I hear "2 spaces" but I can't left/right-arrow over
ND      > them. If I review in flat review mode, I still see the spaces.
ND      >
ND      >
ND      > I filed a Neovim issue about this a while back, but I think it also
ND      > happens in regular Vim since nvim is a fork. My thinking is that there's
ND      > some artifact in how Vim renders its terminal where it leaves the 2
ND      > spaces around even though they can't be traversed, but I've also seen
ND      > scenarios where gnome-terminal and the accessible view of the terminal
ND      > get out of sync, so I'm wondering if this might be one of those?
ND      >
ND      >
ND      > I'm also wondering if there is a workaround? This makes distinguishing
ND      > between a blank line, in the "\n\n" sense, impossible to distinguish
ND      > between lines of spaces, which some folks put in their code for some
ND      > reason or other. I've also seen instances where deleting all the text of
ND      > a line leaves its indentation spacing behind, which I don't want in my
ND      > own code. Looking into how to do this automatically with Vimscript on
ND      > file write, which I know is possible.
ND      >
ND      >
ND      > Thanks.
ND      >
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ND      > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
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