Re: [orca-list] Is there a workaround for this Vim issue?

[Nolan Darilek <nolan thewordnerd info>]

Sorry, Jann, didn't see your reply to this message until now for some reason.

Interesting re: VTE. Are there any other terminal emulator libraries out there that have the same accessibility support? I like Linux's command line support vastly better than my Windows/NVDA experience of same, but there are a few papercuts that make some aspects painful and I'm wondering if there are any alternatives.

Also, I can't duplicate the issue of arrowing down and hearing the previous line's contents. I don't have a Braille display so can't comment on Braille behavior either. Sorry.

On 05/17/2016 11:23 AM, Rynhardt Kruger wrote:

Hi,

I believe the whitespace issue is caused by vte, as it seams to effect all terminal applications. To verrify:

* In a terminal window, execute cat.

* press the following keys: space, space, backspace, backspace, enter, enter.

* Notice that the line where you just pressed enter is reported as blank, while the one where the spaces were deleted still contains the spaces in flat review.

Regards,

Rynhardt

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Jann Schneider <jann schneider googlemail com> wrote:

Hi,

i can confirm this issue. Looks like it is no issue specific to neovim
since i'm using the classic vim on my box.. Unfortunately i cannot
provide any workaround for this.

btw. i'm just wondering if you have some issues i have with vim, too?
- orca speaks the last word of the previous line when arrowing down to
the next one
- at the first line of a file the braille device displays the complete
window title e.g.
"gnome-terminal-server root:/etc/openvpn/openvpn.conf " and the text
of the editor is appended to this stuff

Thanks
- Jann

2016-05-15 15:24 GMT+02:00, Nolan Darilek <nolan thewordnerd info>:
> Trying to get into using Vim over Gedit. It seems to have lots of great
> ways to boost my productivity but I keep hitting issues using it in an
> Orca terminal. To see this one, do the following:
>
>
> 1. Enable the "speak indentation" setting in Orca's settings.
>
> 2. Run vim.
>
> 3. Type "a" to enter append mode.
>
> 4. Type all of the following between the "---" lines, not including the
> "---" lines themselves:
>
>
> ---
>
> Test
>
>    Indented line
>
> ---
>
>
> Note the 2 spaces before "Indented line"
>
>
> 5. Backspace over everything on "  Indented line", including spaces.
>
> 6. Press up-arrow.
>
> 7. Press down-arrow.
>
>
> When I down-arrow, I hear "2 spaces" but I can't left/right-arrow over
> them. If I review in flat review mode, I still see the spaces.
>
>
> I filed a Neovim issue about this a while back, but I think it also
> happens in regular Vim since nvim is a fork. My thinking is that there's
> some artifact in how Vim renders its terminal where it leaves the 2
> spaces around even though they can't be traversed, but I've also seen
> scenarios where gnome-terminal and the accessible view of the terminal
> get out of sync, so I'm wondering if this might be one of those?
>
>
> I'm also wondering if there is a workaround? This makes distinguishing
> between a blank line, in the "\n\n" sense, impossible to distinguish
> between lines of spaces, which some folks put in their code for some
> reason or other. I've also seen instances where deleting all the text of
> a line leaves its indentation spacing behind, which I don't want in my
> own code. Looking into how to do this automatically with Vimscript on
> file write, which I know is possible.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
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