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Re: [orca-list] orca doesn't announce when an email has attachments in seamonkey

Hi Max,

an other possiblity is to use OCRdesktop.
search the line with the "headlines"
this looks to me like this
Name v EE @ Subject From v {} Date v Priority EE
and simulate a leftklick on the last "EE", this is a symbol for the menu. after doing so a menue appear and you can arrow up and arrow down and activate what ever you want (by hitting enter on the entry the visiblity is toggled). 

cheers chrys

Am 13.05.2016 um 21:04 schrieb Joanmarie Diggs:

Hi again Max.

I've not yet added the hackaround in Orca, but I took a look at the
prefs files SeaMonkey writes. I have a file located at:

$HOME/.mozilla/seamonkey/blabla.default/xulstore.json

blabla standing for a series of letters and numbers which serve as the
profile identifier.

Anyway, in that file there is a series of prefs (all on a single,
wrapping line. Yuck!) But if I search for "attachmentCol", I find the
following text:

"attachmentCol":{"ordinal":"3","hidden":"false"}

If I change false to "true", the column gets hidden.

If you're feeling daring, quit SeaMonkey, try editing that file (maybe
save a backup first) and the relaunching SeaMonkey.

And yes, I realize this is ugly. But it's something you can do now. Once
I add the hackaround, you'll be able to use flat review to accomplish
this -- but that will arguably also be ugly. The SeaMonkey UI should be
keyboard accessible and because it's not, we're having this discussion.

HTH.
--joanie

On 05/13/2016 02:39 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:

Hi Max.

It's not a stupid question. Unfortunately, SeaMonkey seems to suffer
from this bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=370437

Also using flat review as a work around (which works in Thunderbird) is
failing in SeaMonkey because the thing you need to click on it lacks
text. This I can work around in Orca. After I add that work around, then
you should be able to click on the button you need.

Right now I'm working on some WebKit bugs (in WebKit). I'll let you know
when I've added the flat review hackaround.

--joanie

On 05/13/2016 01:43 PM, Max wrote:

Hi, Joanye!

I apologize for the stupid question. Please tell me how to activate in
"seamonkey" this column? I have myself I can not find anything similar.
I use "seamonkey" version 2.40.

As for the living areas, I fully agree with you. I simply do not get to
take advantage of this functionality to sites like "facebook.com", or
"gmail.com". Ie I do not remember that to "orca" I spoke dynamic content
on these sites.

Joanmarie Diggs пишет:

Hey Max.

Regarding the attachment announcement, please see my response to
Kendell. Are you sure you have the attachment column enabled?

Regarding the save the password query, I filed that bug against
SeaMonkey: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1272685

Lastly, regarding the problem you report with live regions, do you mean
live regions which use proper ARIA live region markup so that Orca knows
it's a live region? Or do you mean pages which lack proper ARIA live
region markup? If you mean the former, then please give me concrete
steps to reproduce. But if you mean the latter, and want Orca to try to
guess if something is a fake live region or not, then I'm afraid that
will need to be fixed by the authors of that site.

Quite some time ago, Orca did try to heuristically guess when something
was a live region which lacked ARIA. But doing so is *extremely*
problematic because it is *extremely* hard to reliably identify a fake
live region from other changes to content. All those events can look the
same. By removing the heuristic hacks and only supporting proper live
regions, Orca became more performant and less buggy across the board.
For this reason, and given that the ARIA standard is now being much more
widely used by developers, I will not be adding heuristic hacks to work
around poorly-coded interactive sites. Sorry!

--joanie

On 05/13/2016 06:16 AM, Max wrote:

Hi, Kendell!

I acknowledge the existence of this problem. If I am not mistaken, I
reported about this problem a few months ago. Then the "Orca" used to
work with "seamonkey", the script of the "thunderbird".
In any case, I immediately write about the problems, which I have
already reported. "Orca" does not announce the appearance of the
notification (eg to save the password query).
Still, it seems there is a problem with the living regions. In this I am
not sure; However, I have never failed to take advantage of this
functionality.


kendell clark пишет:

hi all
Subject line says it all
In seamonkey's mail component, orca doesn't announce when emails have
attachments. I've accidentally deleted emails with attachments and had
to have them resent because I didn't know. You can of course go into
the
menus to tell, but the attachment reminder is still handy. Can anyone
else confirm this? This happens in both orca stable and orca master,
completely up to date. It shouldn't be distro dependent either,
although
I'm in sonar.
Thanks
Kendell Clark

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