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Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu Touch/phone

I get that you are bitter but, you need to be objective about some of these things.  Apple is respected for 
its accomplishments in accessibility for good reason.  The experience is stable and intuitive.  It ought to 
be.  You pay out the nose for it.  I had an android device once.  The a11y on it was so broken I couldn't 
even hang up on someone when I was done with the call.  The browser experience was horrible unless you went 
out and got a special browser put out by a blind products developer.  Same with the e-mail.  Even then, you 
didn't have full functionality.  Calendar?  No way, totally busted.  I understand there has been some 
improvement since then but I will never forget the huge letdown I experienced when I bought my Android phone. 
 What made it even worse is that the accessibility solution was thought up and implemented by an actual blind 
developer.  And the learning curve just to use the device?  Insane!  I must've spent like two days just 
trying to figure out how the stupid thing worked.  Who in the world has time for such nonsense?  I even had 
to get a special dialer to make calls, the most basic of functions for a phone.  I had it for a few months 
so, I did get decently proficient at using it but was never truly happy with it.  I wound up losing it one 
day which turned out to be a wonderful thing.

Enter my iPhone.  I did have to get sighted assistance to turn on the accessibility features.  From there, 
though, I was browsing the web, e-mailing, setting up my calendar, texting, chatting, skyping and playing 
music in no time.  No special browser, e-mail client or dialer needed.  You used the built-in stuff right out 
of the box.  The same stuff everyone else used, I used.  Now, I don't know what you mean when you say you 
don't like the "Apple culture" or anything but, these people won my business fair and square.  They created a 
product I could use right out of the box easily, intuitively and efficiently with a minimum of frustration.  
I even have a toggle switch to turn my special software off and pass the thing to one of my kids for them to 
play games on.  The idea of being able to share my technology with sighted members of my family was unheard 
of to me when I was younger.  

If a touch phone using Ubuntu can give that kind of experience, I'm all for it.  I think it's a long way away 
from it though.  

My two cents,
Alex M


 

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of kendell clark
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 6:45 AM
To: Dennis Westphal
Cc: Orca-list
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu Touch/phone

hi
Dennis, I couldn't have said it better myself. Accessibility is a basic right that should have been included 
at the start of the project.
Designed in, rather than bolted on later after enough people complain.
That being said, not even apple, which for some reason is held up as the accessibility champion did this, so 
no company is perfect. Not even linux did this, though they were fairly fast at implementing accessibility 
for the text console, even if getting it going with a hardware synth was a pita.
Thanks
Kendell clark


On 09/23/2015 06:35 AM, Dennis Westphal wrote:

Well that is  real miss step in my opinion that the Ubuntu Developers didnt include accessibility from the 
start of the project. However it still is in the early stages thats why I wanted to know if it would be 
possible to get orca running and make Ubuntu Phone usible for usable for us. 

Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Am 23.09.2015 um 12:08 schrieb kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>:

hi
Don't take me too seriously when I get like this. I'm a little bitter 
when it comes to us being beneath notice. I've lived in the windows 
culture for so long despite me having switched to linux 4 years ago.
Blind agencies extatically point out the advantages of whatever 
platform gives them the most kickbacks, perks and endorcements, while 
conveniently ignoring the other options. Companies exploit us for 
profit, and make a killing at it. I watch my fellow blind people 
growing up used to being gouged for basic rights people without 
disabilities take for granted. Thank god for linux, and joanie, rob, 
luke, everyone who make linux usable by the blind Thanks Kendell 
clark



On 09/23/2015 04:41 AM, kendell clark wrote:
hi
I hate to burst your bubble, but afaik ubuntu is doing zero to make 
their phone platform accessible. Android or IOS are really your only 
options. Sad, but true as far as I know. This platform could be 
accessible, but it takes the developers putting time and effort into 
it, and as we all know, that's hard to get someone who doesn't 
depend on accessibility tech to understand. What? Blind people? Huh? 
I don't understand. I'm not an IOS person, mostly because I refuse 
to buy into the apple culture, and also because I can't afford the 
vast majority of apple hardware. I've seen what apple fans are like 
and I don't really want to be caught up in that. Android fans can be 
just as fanatical I suppose, but I've never had an android phone for more than a few days.
Thanks
Kendell clark



On 09/23/2015 04:27 AM, Dennis Westphal wrote:
iOS is in my opinion the most accessible plattform for mobile 
devices. However Id love to use orca and Linux in general on a 
mobile Phone or Tablet as well. I myself dont really like Android. 
However I could really get behind using Ubuntu Phone and that way 
using Linux exclusively

Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Am 23.09.2015 um 11:22 schrieb Vincenzo Rubano <vincenzo rubano studio unibo it>:

From what I know, we’re really far from getting Orca running with 
them. If I remember correctly, the problem should be that the a11y 
infrastructure is not ready at all for handling touch screen 
events…

If you want to get an accessible touch screen device I would 
recommend going with an iDevice. Sure, there’s some accessibility 
support in Android devices as well, but I don’t think that it is 
as good as the support that iOS provides… And this is my personal 
opinion after having played a bit with both platforms and I do not 
intend to open up a flame…


Vincenzo.


Il giorno 23 set 2015, alle ore 09:31, Milton <milton duurzaamdigitaal org> ha scritto:

Me too would like to have such phone.
Milton

Op 23-09-15 om 09:15 schreef Dennis Westphal:

Hi guys,

I just was wondering if there is any intension to integrate orca in Ubuntu phone. Or if it is even 
possible.
If it would be possible I'd like to get my hands on one of them.

Thanks
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