Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu Touch/phone

[kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>]

hi
Dennis, I couldn't have said it better myself. Accessibility is a basic
right that should have been included at the start of the project.
Designed in, rather than bolted on later after enough people complain.
That being said, not even apple, which for some reason is held up as the
accessibility champion did this, so no company is perfect. Not even
linux did this, though they were fairly fast at implementing
accessibility for the text console, even if getting it going with a
hardware synth was a pita.
Thanks
Kendell clark


On 09/23/2015 06:35 AM, Dennis Westphal wrote:
> Well that is  real miss step in my opinion that the Ubuntu Developers didnt include accessibility from the 
> start of the project. However it still is in the early stages thats why I wanted to know if it would be 
> possible to get orca running and make Ubuntu Phone usible for usable for us. 
>
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>
> > Am 23.09.2015 um 12:08 schrieb kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>:
> >
> > hi
> > Don't take me too seriously when I get like this. I'm a little bitter
> > when it comes to us being beneath notice. I've lived in the windows
> > culture for so long despite me having switched to linux 4 years ago.
> > Blind agencies extatically point out the advantages of whatever platform
> > gives them the most kickbacks, perks and endorcements, while
> > conveniently ignoring the other options. Companies exploit us for
> > profit, and make a killing at it. I watch my fellow blind people growing
> > up used to being gouged for basic rights people without disabilities
> > take for granted. Thank god for linux, and joanie, rob, luke, everyone
> > who make linux usable by the blind
> > Thanks
> > Kendell clark
> >
> >
> > > On 09/23/2015 04:41 AM, kendell clark wrote:
> > > hi
> > > I hate to burst your bubble, but afaik ubuntu is doing zero to make
> > > their phone platform accessible. Android or IOS are really your only
> > > options. Sad, but true as far as I know. This platform could be
> > > accessible, but it takes the developers putting time and effort into it,
> > > and as we all know, that's hard to get someone who doesn't depend on
> > > accessibility tech to understand. What? Blind people? Huh? I don't
> > > understand. I'm not an IOS person, mostly because I refuse to buy into
> > > the apple culture, and also because I can't afford the vast majority of
> > > apple hardware. I've seen what apple fans are like and I don't really
> > > want to be caught up in that. Android fans can be just as fanatical I
> > > suppose, but I've never had an android phone for more than a few days.
> > > Thanks
> > > Kendell clark
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 09/23/2015 04:27 AM, Dennis Westphal wrote:
> > > > iOS is in my opinion the most accessible plattform for mobile devices. However Id love to use orca and 
> > > > Linux in general on a mobile Phone or Tablet as well. I myself dont really like Android. However I could 
> > > > really get behind using Ubuntu Phone and that way using Linux exclusively
> > > >
> > > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> > > >
> > > > > Am 23.09.2015 um 11:22 schrieb Vincenzo Rubano <vincenzo rubano studio unibo it>:
> > > > >
> > > > > From what I know, we’re really far from getting Orca running with them. If I remember correctly, the 
> > > > > problem should be that the a11y infrastructure is not ready at all for handling touch screen events…
> > > > >
> > > > > If you want to get an accessible touch screen device I would recommend going with an iDevice. Sure, 
> > > > > there’s some accessibility support in Android devices as well, but I don’t think that it is as good as 
> > > > > the support that iOS provides… And this is my personal opinion after having played a bit with both 
> > > > > platforms and I do not intend to open up a flame…
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Vincenzo.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Il giorno 23 set 2015, alle ore 09:31, Milton <milton duurzaamdigitaal org> ha scritto:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Me too would like to have such phone.
> > > > > > Milton
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Op 23-09-15 om 09:15 schreef Dennis Westphal:
> > > > > > > Hi guys,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I just was wondering if there is any intension to integrate orca in Ubuntu phone. Or if it is even 
> > > > > > > possible.
> > > > > > > If it would be possible I'd like to get my hands on one of them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > orca-list mailing list
> > > > > > > orca-list gnome org
> > > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > > > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
> > > > > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
> > > > > > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
> > > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > orca-list mailing list
> > > > > > orca-list gnome org
> > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
> > > > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
> > > > > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
> > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > orca-list mailing list
> > > > orca-list gnome org
> > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
> > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
> > > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
> > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org