Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu Touch/phone

[Rob Whyte <fudge thefudge net>]

Hi,
very good points.
A lot of assumptions going on here.
Would be good to wait for clarification of the points brought up here.
Thanks
Rob


On 23/09/15 22:01, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> Well I don't believe that there's 0 work going on with the
> accessibility of Ubuntu Touch. That may be true, but I'd have to hear
> it from someone who's actually on the Ubuntu Touch development team.
> Also, isn't Ubuntu Touch open source? Couldn't anyone be contributing
> code to make it accessible? I'm not a fan of always blaming someone
> else in the open source community for something not happening when
> anyone can contribute and make a difference, and it doesn't always
> have to be in the bowels of the source code.
>
> On 09/23/2015 06:35 AM, Dennis Westphal wrote:
> > Well that is  real miss step in my opinion that the Ubuntu Developers
> > didnt include accessibility from the start of the project. However it
> > still is in the early stages thats why I wanted to know if it would
> > be possible to get orca running and make Ubuntu Phone usible for
> > usable for us.
> >
> > Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> >
> > > Am 23.09.2015 um 12:08 schrieb kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>:
> > >
> > > hi
> > > Don't take me too seriously when I get like this. I'm a little bitter
> > > when it comes to us being beneath notice. I've lived in the windows
> > > culture for so long despite me having switched to linux 4 years ago.
> > > Blind agencies extatically point out the advantages of whatever
> > > platform
> > > gives them the most kickbacks, perks and endorcements, while
> > > conveniently ignoring the other options. Companies exploit us for
> > > profit, and make a killing at it. I watch my fellow blind people
> > > growing
> > > up used to being gouged for basic rights people without disabilities
> > > take for granted. Thank god for linux, and joanie, rob, luke, everyone
> > > who make linux usable by the blind
> > > Thanks
> > > Kendell clark
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 09/23/2015 04:41 AM, kendell clark wrote:
> > > > hi
> > > > I hate to burst your bubble, but afaik ubuntu is doing zero to make
> > > > their phone platform accessible. Android or IOS are really your only
> > > > options. Sad, but true as far as I know. This platform could be
> > > > accessible, but it takes the developers putting time and effort
> > > > into it,
> > > > and as we all know, that's hard to get someone who doesn't depend on
> > > > accessibility tech to understand. What? Blind people? Huh? I don't
> > > > understand. I'm not an IOS person, mostly because I refuse to buy into
> > > > the apple culture, and also because I can't afford the vast
> > > > majority of
> > > > apple hardware. I've seen what apple fans are like and I don't really
> > > > want to be caught up in that. Android fans can be just as fanatical I
> > > > suppose, but I've never had an android phone for more than a few days.
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Kendell clark
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On 09/23/2015 04:27 AM, Dennis Westphal wrote:
> > > > > iOS is in my opinion the most accessible plattform for mobile
> > > > > devices. However Id love to use orca and Linux in general on a
> > > > > mobile Phone or Tablet as well. I myself dont really like Android.
> > > > > However I could really get behind using Ubuntu Phone and that way
> > > > > using Linux exclusively
> > > > >
> > > > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> > > > >
> > > > > > Am 23.09.2015 um 11:22 schrieb Vincenzo Rubano
> > > > > > <vincenzo rubano studio unibo it>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  From what I know, we’re really far from getting Orca running
> > > > > > with them. If I remember correctly, the problem should be that
> > > > > > the a11y infrastructure is not ready at all for handling touch
> > > > > > screen events…
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you want to get an accessible touch screen device I would
> > > > > > recommend going with an iDevice. Sure, there’s some accessibility
> > > > > > support in Android devices as well, but I don’t think that it is
> > > > > > as good as the support that iOS provides… And this is my personal
> > > > > > opinion after having played a bit with both platforms and I do
> > > > > > not intend to open up a flame…
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vincenzo.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Il giorno 23 set 2015, alle ore 09:31, Milton
> > > > > > > <milton duurzaamdigitaal org> ha scritto:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Me too would like to have such phone.
> > > > > > > Milton
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Op 23-09-15 om 09:15 schreef Dennis Westphal:
> > > > > > > > Hi guys,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I just was wondering if there is any intension to integrate
> > > > > > > > orca in Ubuntu phone. Or if it is even possible.
> > > > > > > > If it would be possible I'd like to get my hands on one of them.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > orca-list mailing list
> > > > > > > > orca-list gnome org
> > > > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > > > > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
> > > > > > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
> > > > > > > > GNOME Universal Access guide:
> > > > > > > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
> > > > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > orca-list mailing list
> > > > > > > orca-list gnome org
> > > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > > > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
> > > > > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
> > > > > > > GNOME Universal Access guide:
> > > > > > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
> > > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > orca-list mailing list
> > > > > orca-list gnome org
> > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
> > > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
> > > > > GNOME Universal Access guide:
> > > > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
> > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > orca-list mailing list
> > orca-list gnome org
> > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
> > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
> > GNOME Universal Access guide:
> > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
> > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org