Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu Touch/phone

[Christopher Chaltain <chaltain gmail com>]

I'm not sure how to answer an Android phone, since I have a tablet, but 
you should always Google or ask on a forum on how to do something. I 
know you didn't say it couldn't be done, but you'd be surprised how many 
times I hear people say I couldn't figure out how to ... so therefore it 
can't be done. iPhones say slide to unlock, which you can do, but you 
can slide anywhere or use a three finger swipe. To answer a call, you 
don't have to double tap the answer button, you can just do a two finger 
double tap. My point is that there are multiple ways of doing things, 
and if you don't know ask before assuming it can't be done. Like I said, 
this is a generic piece of advice.

I'm not sure what you said about IOS versus Android versus Windows Phone 
accessibility, but again, I've see people with about the same level of 
experience weigh in on the accessibility of these platforms, so everyone 
needs to be careful what they take away from such generic statements and 
should pay much more attention to people who have actual experience with 
each platform and who are willing to give specific details. Not unlike 
discussions we have on this list about which desktop is the most accessible.

On 09/23/2015 07:08 AM, kendell clark wrote:
> hi
> I should probably point out that I wasn't intending to criticize IOS,
> because I can't really do so. I've never used a mac or an apple anything
> other than an old video iPod running rockbox. I did have one android
> phone, a kyocera hydro, for something like 2 weeks, but I couldn't
> figure out how to answer calls, lol. I literally couldn't figure it out.
> It would say slide to answer, but by the time I found where to slide it
> had gone to voicemail lol.
> Thanks
> Kendell clark
>
>
> On 09/23/2015 06:51 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> > Windows Phone is another option. I haven't used one myself, but I know
> > blind people who are using them.
> >
> > Whether you prefer one phone over the other depends a lot on what you'll
> > be doing with it. I tend to prefer my Android tablet over my iPhone for
> > most things, and the things that the iPhone is best at are those things
> > I don't tend to do much on my smart phone. The bugs in IOS 8 and now IOS
> > 9 make it really challenging to use the iPhone as a phone.
> >
> > I tend to ignore statements like one phone is better than the other or
> > more accessible. A lot of people base these statements on things they've
> > heard or their experience with older versions of Android. Just as I take
> > blanket statements I hear about Linux with a grain of salt, I do the
> > same thing with other platforms, and I look for more detailed reviews
> > where people talk about the versions of each OS they've tried and get
> > into details on what they've found with one platform over the other. Of
> > course, I also try to get first hand experience with a platform myself
> > before forming an opinion on it.
> >
> > On 09/23/2015 04:41 AM, kendell clark wrote:
> > > hi
> > > I hate to burst your bubble, but afaik ubuntu is doing zero to make
> > > their phone platform accessible. Android or IOS are really your only
> > > options. Sad, but true as far as I know. This platform could be
> > > accessible, but it takes the developers putting time and effort into it,
> > > and as we all know, that's hard to get someone who doesn't depend on
> > > accessibility tech to understand. What? Blind people? Huh? I don't
> > > understand. I'm not an IOS person, mostly because I refuse to buy into
> > > the apple culture, and also because I can't afford the vast majority of
> > > apple hardware. I've seen what apple fans are like and I don't really
> > > want to be caught up in that. Android fans can be just as fanatical I
> > > suppose, but I've never had an android phone for more than a few days.
> > > Thanks
> > > Kendell clark
> > >
> > >
> > > On 09/23/2015 04:27 AM, Dennis Westphal wrote:
> > > > iOS is in my opinion the most accessible plattform for mobile
> > > > devices. However Id love to use orca and Linux in general on a mobile
> > > > Phone or Tablet as well. I myself dont really like Android. However I
> > > > could really get behind using Ubuntu Phone and that way using Linux
> > > > exclusively
> > > >
> > > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> > > >
> > > > > Am 23.09.2015 um 11:22 schrieb Vincenzo Rubano
> > > > > <vincenzo rubano studio unibo it>:
> > > > >
> > > > >   From what I know, we’re really far from getting Orca running with
> > > > > them. If I remember correctly, the problem should be that the a11y
> > > > > infrastructure is not ready at all for handling touch screen events…
> > > > >
> > > > > If you want to get an accessible touch screen device I would
> > > > > recommend going with an iDevice. Sure, there’s some accessibility
> > > > > support in Android devices as well, but I don’t think that it is as
> > > > > good as the support that iOS provides… And this is my personal
> > > > > opinion after having played a bit with both platforms and I do not
> > > > > intend to open up a flame…
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Vincenzo.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Il giorno 23 set 2015, alle ore 09:31, Milton
> > > > > > <milton duurzaamdigitaal org> ha scritto:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Me too would like to have such phone.
> > > > > > Milton
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Op 23-09-15 om 09:15 schreef Dennis Westphal:
> > > > > > > Hi guys,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I just was wondering if there is any intension to integrate orca
> > > > > > > in Ubuntu phone. Or if it is even possible.
> > > > > > > If it would be possible I'd like to get my hands on one of them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > orca-list mailing list
> > > > > > > orca-list gnome org
> > > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > > > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
> > > > > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
> > > > > > > GNOME Universal Access guide:
> > > > > > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
> > > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > orca-list mailing list
> > > > > > orca-list gnome org
> > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
> > > > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
> > > > > > GNOME Universal Access guide:
> > > > > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
> > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > orca-list mailing list
> > > > orca-list gnome org
> > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
> > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
> > > > GNOME Universal Access guide:
> > > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
> > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > orca-list mailing list
> > > orca-list gnome org
> > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
> > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
> > > GNOME Universal Access guide:
> > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
> > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org

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Christopher (CJ)
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