Re: [orca-list] GUI Redesign or clearup and modernization

[Christopher Chaltain <chaltain gmail com>]

Unless it's changed, Orca will bring up an interface where you can get 
to the preferences when you start it.

There are also off the shelf distributions of Linux which will start 
Orca during the install with just one key stroke. Furthermore, there are 
 distribbutions built with the blind in mind, like Vinux and Sonar, 
which come up talking on the live media.

Sorry, but I don't agree that spouting an overly simplistic view has any 
bearing with reality. It just fosters ignorance and promotes prejudices. 
There may be something to what you say, but it's lost in the inaccurate 
statements you make and the biased comparisons to other platforms. IMHO, 
no one helps Linux get better or compete with other proprietary 
platforms by just repeating vacuous overly simplistic statements. To 
really help, you'd have to speak with accuracy and details.

On 09/03/2015 04:26 AM, Tony Baechler wrote:
> On 9/2/2015 5:00 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> > I haven't been following this thread, but the post below either
> > confuses me
> > or I just don't agree. I can't think of a single screen reader where you
> > don't need to know at least one key stroke before starting, such as
> > how to
> > bring up the preferences. You either have to know that key stroke or be
> > familiar enough with the operating system to know how to get into the
> > preferences for an application, which I think is what the post below is
> > disagreeing with.
>
> In general, I agree with you.  Once you have basic familiarity with the
> environment, what you say is valid.  Like you, I have yet to find a
> screen reader that doesn't require you to know a keystroke to access the
> prefs. However, if I can make a comparison to Windows for a moment,
> there is at least one Windows screen reader which runs a getting started
> wizard when it's launched for the first time.  It's very basic, but does
> allow you to set the pitch and rate.  It also pops up a tip of the day
> with helpful information, such as how to access the prefs.
>
> > Either way, it's an overly simplistic attitude to say that expecting
> > someone
> > to read some information about an application before using it is the
> > reason
> > so many people are put off by Linux.
>
> Yes, well, simplistic or not, it's an unfortunate reality.  I can't tell
> you how many people I've come across who were put off because they
> complained that they had to read lots of docs before even getting
> started.  I'm sorry, but we have to deal with reality whether we like it
> or not.  I myself don't have that attitude and I don't mind reading
> docs, but I'm the exception. How many times do you hear sayings like,
> "If all else fails, read the instructions."  How many beginners actually
> take the time to read the manual?  I'm sorry, but simplistic or not,
> that's the way it usually is. This is even more so when you have the Mac
> which includes accessibility automatically when the machine is first
> configured.
>
> Also, let me mention here that when most blind people get a computer
> with Windows on it, there is already a screen reader installed.  I know
> that rehab agencies purchase screen readers for their clients and I know
> of a computer donation program which installs NVDA on donated machines.
> Since it's still impossible for the blind to install Windows without
> sighted help and since the two screen readers I've used have talking
> installers, Linux has a strike against it from the point of view of a
> Windows user before they even get started.  Expecting them to read a set
> of docs on a foreign desktop environment with a foreign screen reader is
> too much to ask, I think.  FYI, I didn't have a donated machine and I
> didn't have rehab purchase a screen reader for me, so I'm more used to
> figuring things out on my own.  The attitude above is not my opinion,
> but reflects reality for most people that I've encountered.
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