Re: [orca-list] GUI Redesign or clearup and modernization

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On 9/2/2015 11:48 AM, kendell clark wrote:
> **warning** Minor rant ahead
> hi
> I'm going to disagree here. Linux, like many things, requires you to 
> "learn" it. Windows was not self obvious when you first picked it up, 
> neither was whatever screen reader you use in it, jaws, nvda, etc. You 
> had to read the docs. If you're too good to read a simple help file, 
> then I really don't know what to tell you. Claiming linux is too hard 
> when you won't even try isn't a fault of linux, it's yours for not 
> trying. This isn't meant towards tony, but I'm getting disgusted with 
> this attitude so many blind people in particular have. If it won't 
> think for me, work automagically, and make my friggin coffee, then 
> it's too hard and I won't use it.
> Thanks
> Kendell clark
>
>
> On 9/2/2015 6:15 AM, Tony Baechler wrote:
> > On 9/1/2015 10:24 AM, B. Henry wrote:
> > > Well, it's not unreasonalble to ask users to read a bit of 
> > > documentation to learn a keystroke or two when trying a new desktop, 
> > > but unless I'm missing
> > > something folks like myself who use a window manager such as fluxbox 
> > > and fill in accessibility gaps with custom scripts would be left out 
> > > in the cold if
> > > an orca prefs window was done away with.
> >
> > I'm sorry, but I have to disagree.  I think that in this case, it is 
> > unreasonable to expect people to be required to read documentation in 
> > order to figure out how to set their Orca prefs. That attitude in 
> > general is why so many people, both blind and sighted, either are put 
> > off by Linux, won't try it in the first place or give up without ever 
> > installing it and giving it a fair chance.  I don't have a problem 
> > expecting people to read a basic accessibility guide and I agree that 
> > once people have learned the basics that they should be expected to 
> > read the docs, but expecting them to read the docs before they even 
> > get started is asking too much.  Other than your first statement, I 
> > agree with what I think you're trying to say.  I think you're 
> > agreeing with my previous post on the subject which is that 
> > regardless of what desktop or window manager, there needs to be a 
> > universal keystroke to access the Orca prefs.  I don't think people 
> > should have to read the docs to find it, however.
> >
> > What would be good is for Orca to open the prefs window automatically 
> > when it's started from a live environment so people don't have to 
> > hunt around to find them.  Maybe could a command line switch like 
> > --prefs be added for this?  I thought there was already such a 
> > switch, but I didn't see it when reading "orca --help" on my Ubuntu 
> > MATE 15.04 system.
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