Re: [orca-list] GUI Redesign or clearup and modernization

[Devin Prater <r d t prater gmail com>]

No, I don't expect it to do homework, make dinner, and all that, but I do expect braille to work at least a 
little better in it, and I don't expect to have to build it myself, or else the GUI's wouldn't be here.

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> On Sep 2, 2015, at 10:48 AM, kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com> wrote:
>
> **warning** Minor rant ahead
> hi
> I'm going to disagree here. Linux, like many things, requires you to "learn" it. Windows was not self 
> obvious when you first picked it up, neither was whatever screen reader you use in it, jaws, nvda, etc. You 
> had to read the docs. If you're too good to read a simple help file, then I really don't know what to tell 
> you. Claiming linux is too hard when you won't even try isn't a fault of linux, it's yours for not trying. 
> This isn't meant towards tony, but I'm getting disgusted with this attitude so many blind people in 
> particular have. If it won't think for me, work automagically, and make my friggin coffee, then it's too 
> hard and I won't use it.
> Thanks
> Kendell clark
>
>
> > On 9/2/2015 6:15 AM, Tony Baechler wrote:
> > > On 9/1/2015 10:24 AM, B. Henry wrote:
> > > Well, it's not unreasonalble to ask users to read a bit of documentation to learn a keystroke or two when 
> > > trying a new desktop, but unless I'm missing
> > > something folks like myself who use a window manager such as fluxbox and fill in accessibility gaps with 
> > > custom scripts would be left out in the cold if
> > > an orca prefs window was done away with.
> >
> > I'm sorry, but I have to disagree.  I think that in this case, it is unreasonable to expect people to be 
> > required to read documentation in order to figure out how to set their Orca prefs. That attitude in 
> > general is why so many people, both blind and sighted, either are put off by Linux, won't try it in the 
> > first place or give up without ever installing it and giving it a fair chance.  I don't have a problem 
> > expecting people to read a basic accessibility guide and I agree that once people have learned the basics 
> > that they should be expected to read the docs, but expecting them to read the docs before they even get 
> > started is asking too much.  Other than your first statement, I agree with what I think you're trying to 
> > say.  I think you're agreeing with my previous post on the subject which is that regardless of what 
> > desktop or window manager, there needs to be a universal keystroke to access the Orca prefs.  I don't 
> > think people should have to read the docs to find it, however.
> >
> > What would be good is for Orca to open the prefs window automatically when it's started from a live 
> > environment so people don't have to hunt around to find them.  Maybe could a command line switch like 
> > --prefs be added for this?  I thought there was already such a switch, but I didn't see it when reading 
> > "orca --help" on my Ubuntu MATE 15.04 system.
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