Re: [orca-list] GUI Redesign or clearup and modernization

[Josh K <joshknnd1982 gmail com>]

or you could add a PPA that has the fix and apply it right away.

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On 9/2/2015 9:43 AM, Alex Midence wrote:
> Yeah.  You do need a hotkey to get you to where you can modify settings.  In Jaws, it's insert+j, in NVDA 
> it's  Insert N, in Window Eyes it's something like insert backslash or something like that.  They all have 
> one.  I don't see why the Orca Space hotkey can't remain but have functionality such that it takes you 
> directly to the settings area pertaining to Orca in the Control Center of the desktop you are using.  
> Krishnakant did bring up a very cogent point though.  What if something should happen that would make 
> accessibility problematic in Gnome Control Center in the future?  Then, we'd be stuck while they get it fixed 
> and unable to change Orca's settings.  If you run something like Debian or Ubuntu LTS, you might be stuck 
> with that  messed up version of the control center for a long time while other folks  can run the bleeding 
> edge with the fix.  Not a very desirable situation.
>
> Alex M
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:00 AM
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> Subject: Re: [orca-list] GUI Redesign or clearup and modernization
>
> I haven't been following this thread, but the post below either confuses me or I just don't agree. I can't 
> think of a single screen reader where you don't need to know at least one key stroke before starting, such as 
> how to bring up the preferences. You either have to know that key stroke or be familiar enough with the 
> operating system to know how to get into the preferences for an application, which I think is what the post 
> below is disagreeing with.
>
> Either way, it's an overly simplistic attitude to say that expecting someone to read some information about 
> an application before using it is the reason so many people are put off by Linux.
>
> > On 9/1/2015 10:24 AM, B. Henry wrote:
> > > Well, it's not unreasonalble to ask users to read a bit of
> > > documentation to learn a keystroke or two when trying a new desktop,
> > > but unless I'm missing something folks like myself who use a window
> > > manager such as fluxbox and fill in accessibility gaps with custom
> > > scripts would be left out in the cold if an orca prefs window was
> > > done away with.
> > I'm sorry, but I have to disagree.  I think that in this case, it is
> > unreasonable to expect people to be required to read documentation in
> > order to figure out how to set their Orca prefs.  That attitude in
> > general is why so many people, both blind and sighted, either are put
> > off by Linux, won't try it in the first place or give up without ever
> > installing it and giving it a fair chance.  I don't have a problem
> > expecting people to read a basic accessibility guide and I agree that
> > once people have learned the basics that they should be expected to
> > read the docs, but expecting them to read the docs before they even
> > get started is asking too much.  Other than your first statement, I
> > agree with what I think you're trying to say.  I think you're agreeing
> > with my previous post on the subject which is that regardless of what
> > desktop or window manager, there needs to be a universal keystroke to
> > access the Orca prefs.  I don't think people should have to read the
> > docs to find it, however.
> >
> > What would be good is for Orca to open the prefs window automatically
> > when it's started from a live environment so people don't have to hunt
> > around to find them.  Maybe could a command line switch like --prefs
> > be added for this?  I thought there was already such a switch, but I
> > didn't see it when reading "orca --help" on my Ubuntu MATE 15.04 system.
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