Re: [orca-list] GUI Redesign or clearup and modernization

[kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>]

hi
I'd suggest keeping the orca prefs dialog around in case for whatever 
reason, teh nice clean control center approach isn't available, in case 
you're using a non gtk based desktop, such as fluxbox or like storm 
occasionally uses, a window manager like ratpoison. The gui probably 
could do with an overhall but I'm fine with the way it was personally. 
Joanie's got so much on her plate others will have to pitch in if they 
want this sooner than she can fit it in. Alex is right, it's called a 
"community" for a reason. And in case anyone notices windows in my 
headers, I'm on mellisa's windows box doing repairs.
Thanks
Kendell clark


On 9/2/2015 8:43 AM, Alex Midence wrote:
> Yeah.  You do need a hotkey to get you to where you can modify settings.  In Jaws, it's insert+j, in NVDA 
> it's  Insert N, in Window Eyes it's something like insert backslash or something like that.  They all have 
> one.  I don't see why the Orca Space hotkey can't remain but have functionality such that it takes you 
> directly to the settings area pertaining to Orca in the Control Center of the desktop you are using.  
> Krishnakant did bring up a very cogent point though.  What if something should happen that would make 
> accessibility problematic in Gnome Control Center in the future?  Then, we'd be stuck while they get it fixed 
> and unable to change Orca's settings.  If you run something like Debian or Ubuntu LTS, you might be stuck 
> with that  messed up version of the control center for a long time while other folks  can run the bleeding 
> edge with the fix.  Not a very desirable situation.
>
> Alex M
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:00 AM
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> Subject: Re: [orca-list] GUI Redesign or clearup and modernization
>
> I haven't been following this thread, but the post below either confuses me or I just don't agree. I can't 
> think of a single screen reader where you don't need to know at least one key stroke before starting, such as 
> how to bring up the preferences. You either have to know that key stroke or be familiar enough with the 
> operating system to know how to get into the preferences for an application, which I think is what the post 
> below is disagreeing with.
>
> Either way, it's an overly simplistic attitude to say that expecting someone to read some information about 
> an application before using it is the reason so many people are put off by Linux.
>
> > On 9/1/2015 10:24 AM, B. Henry wrote:
> > > Well, it's not unreasonalble to ask users to read a bit of
> > > documentation to learn a keystroke or two when trying a new desktop,
> > > but unless I'm missing something folks like myself who use a window
> > > manager such as fluxbox and fill in accessibility gaps with custom
> > > scripts would be left out in the cold if an orca prefs window was
> > > done away with.
> > I'm sorry, but I have to disagree.  I think that in this case, it is
> > unreasonable to expect people to be required to read documentation in
> > order to figure out how to set their Orca prefs.  That attitude in
> > general is why so many people, both blind and sighted, either are put
> > off by Linux, won't try it in the first place or give up without ever
> > installing it and giving it a fair chance.  I don't have a problem
> > expecting people to read a basic accessibility guide and I agree that
> > once people have learned the basics that they should be expected to
> > read the docs, but expecting them to read the docs before they even
> > get started is asking too much.  Other than your first statement, I
> > agree with what I think you're trying to say.  I think you're agreeing
> > with my previous post on the subject which is that regardless of what
> > desktop or window manager, there needs to be a universal keystroke to
> > access the Orca prefs.  I don't think people should have to read the
> > docs to find it, however.
> >
> > What would be good is for Orca to open the prefs window automatically
> > when it's started from a live environment so people don't have to hunt
> > around to find them.  Maybe could a command line switch like --prefs
> > be added for this?  I thought there was already such a switch, but I
> > didn't see it when reading "orca --help" on my Ubuntu MATE 15.04 system.
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