Re: [orca-list] GUI Redesign or clearup and modernization

["B. Henry" <burt1iband gmail com>]

Exactly...
Just to be clear I am not expecting people to read the orca manual from start to finish before using the 
program, but as CJ says, any screenreader 
requires one to learn a few key strokes, at least how to start and or restart it and how to access 
prefference/ configuration menus.

There is a valid point in saying that it is relatively mpre complex to open global settings center for the 
OS/desktop and navigate to a given item 
compared to using a single keyboard shortcut to open configuration menus. I assume a keyboard shortcut would 
be included by default that would open the 
orca prefs menu(s), no matter what form this or these take, so in most cases this is all accidemic. 
Again, what is not academic is how the relatively small minority of us who do not normally use  off the shelf 
desktops would be able to use orca. How 
much extra infrastructure would we have to include just to be able to interact with orca prefs? 
The other question is portability. As it is we have a directory where our orca settings are easy to see. 
Where would the actual schemas and keys live? 
Forgive my ignorance/maybe there are reasonably simnple solutions to resolve the issues I   bring up, but my 
first take is that more poeple would be 
hurt than helped by doing away with orca's ability to stand alone in the sense being discussed. 
I'mn not sure what changes to the UI people have in mind, but I'll only say as I'm certainly n favor of 
change that improves efficiency, but change for 
change's sake, or to "modernize" just because, is not going gto win many fans. 
What are the areas that bother people, or what do people think could or should be improved in the interface? 
I can think of other ways to organize the 
interaction with orca prefs, but a quick analysis does  not make me think changes are likely to improve 
things much. I'm always ready to be surprised 
and or proved wrong however, so bring on UI redesign ideas, but don't make it so I have to use gnome, or 
gnomeor mate or else not use orca, please.
        

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  Christopher Chaltain wrote:
Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 07:00:05AM -0500

> I haven't been following this thread, but the post below either confuses me
> or I just don't agree. I can't think of a single screen reader where you
> don't need to know at least one key stroke before starting, such as how to
> bring up the preferences. You either have to know that key stroke or be
> familiar enough with the operating system to know how to get into the
> preferences for an application, which I think is what the post below is
> disagreeing with.
>
> Either way, it's an overly simplistic attitude to say that expecting someone
> to read some information about an application before using it is the reason
> so many people are put off by Linux.
>
> > On 9/1/2015 10:24 AM, B. Henry wrote:
> > > Well, it's not unreasonalble to ask users to read a bit of
> > > documentation to learn a keystroke or two when trying a new desktop,
> > > but unless I'm missing
> > > something folks like myself who use a window manager such as fluxbox
> > > and fill in accessibility gaps with custom scripts would be left out
> > > in the cold if
> > > an orca prefs window was done away with.
> >
> > I'm sorry, but I have to disagree.  I think that in this case, it is
> > unreasonable to expect people to be required to read documentation in
> > order to figure out how to set their Orca prefs.  That attitude in
> > general is why so many people, both blind and sighted, either are put
> > off by Linux, won't try it in the first place or give up without ever
> > installing it and giving it a fair chance.  I don't have a problem
> > expecting people to read a basic accessibility guide and I agree that
> > once people have learned the basics that they should be expected to read
> > the docs, but expecting them to read the docs before they even get
> > started is asking too much.  Other than your first statement, I agree
> > with what I think you're trying to say.  I think you're agreeing with my
> > previous post on the subject which is that regardless of what desktop or
> > window manager, there needs to be a universal keystroke to access the
> > Orca prefs.  I don't think people should have to read the docs to find
> > it, however.
> >
> > What would be good is for Orca to open the prefs window automatically
> > when it's started from a live environment so people don't have to hunt
> > around to find them.  Maybe could a command line switch like --prefs be
> > added for this?  I thought there was already such a switch, but I didn't
> > see it when reading "orca --help" on my Ubuntu MATE 15.04 system.
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> Christopher (CJ)
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