Re: [orca-list] Is anyone still using the Orca console setup?

[Willem van der Walt <wvdwalt csir co za>]

Hi,
Firstly, it was so long ago that I cannot really recall the detail.
Also, there might well have been another way of solving the problem at the 
time.
It was around the time that Ubuntu changed to run speech-dispatcher on a 
per user basis and pulse audio crashed more than it worked.
I just recall, at least, I had working stable speech in the console and 
had a screen card replaced as the old one over-heated and when when trying 
to get a working GUI back, I among other things used the orca console 
setup to get speech in the gui that I, at the time, was not sure if it 
even really worked.
I do not think this would be of much help though, so do not worry too 
much.
As long as there is a way to make sure the orca setup is OK without first 
having to actually run the GUI, I am sure all bases are covered.
Most Linuxes these days are a lot more stable in the GUI than before, so I 
can well see that it is not a big need at all.
Kind regards, Willem


On Tue, 10 Nov 2015, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:

> Hi Willem.
>
> Thanks for your input. I hope you don't mind my CCing the Orca list. I
> want to get all the opinions where everyone can see them.
>
> I do have a follow-up question for you. Below, you stated "it is very
> useful in the cases where the gui got stuffed for some or other reason."
> Could you please elaborate with a concrete example so that I can better
> understand this use case and how the console setup (if it worked)
> addresses it whereas the other command-line options fail to?
>
> Thanks!
> --joanie
>
> On 11/10/2015 12:33 AM, Willem van der Walt wrote:
> > Hi,
> > As an infrequent user of Orca, I have actually used the console setup
> > before, (years ago), to get back a working GUI.
> > I would think it is clearly a bug with very low priority, but should
> > rather be fixed than the code be taken out, as it is very useful in the
> > cases where the gui got stuffed for some or other reason.
> > FWIW, Willem
> >
> > On Tue, 10 Nov 2015, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> >
> > > Hey all.
> > >
> > > As part of testing the changes I am making to break up the key echo
> > > settings into more configurable parts, I noticed that the preferences
> > > configured in the console setup are not getting written out or used
> > > correctly. So the console setup is pretty much useless. It seems equally
> > > broken in 3.16 and 3.14 and 3.12 and 3.10 (and maybe even earlier, but I
> > > stopped trying).
> > >
> > > Therefore, unless something is weird/busted in my environment (which
> > > I've not dug into yet), my guess is that the answer to the question I
> > > asked in the subject is: "No, Joanie, we are not, and we haven't in
> > > quite some time."
> > >
> > > Before I debug and fix something which potentially no one is using or
> > > has a need for, I figured I'd ask you all what (if any) purpose console
> > > setup still serves?
> > >
> > > As a reminder, to meet various configuration needs you can:
> > >
> > > 1. Launch the GUI setup with orca -s or orca --setup. This you might
> > >   wish to do if, for instance, you were on a laptop and couldn't use
> > >   Insert+Space to get into the preferences dialog to switch to laptop
> > >   layout.
> > > 2. Move or remove your $HOME/.local/share/orca directory if your
> > >   settings are totally borked.
> > > 3. Launch Orca with -u/--user-prefs followed by the path for an
> > >   alternate preferences location.
> > >
> > > And as another reminder, the only things you were ever able to configure
> > > in the console setup -- when it actually works -- is speech synthesizer,
> > > whether or not to use braille, and the type of keyecho to use.
> > >
> > > So what is the use case for which you need to set up Orca (which
> > > requires a GUI desktop environment in which to run) but lack a GUI
> > > desktop environment in which to set it up? And how critical is this use
> > > case given that it looks like it may have been going unmet for quite a
> > > while now without anyone screaming in pain and horror?
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > > --joanie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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