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Re: [orca-list] GUI Redesign or clearup and modernization

The thing to remember is that there are linux users who are not as advanced as most ppl on this list, and 
they will not want to change from what they've 
used for years if the changes are not intuitive and pretty obvious with out a bunch of reading docs or 
looking around.
Whiule the average Linux-screenreader using  person is a bit more savvy than the average Windows user I 
think, I run in to quite a few that are far from 
advanced even after using Linux for longer than I have. 
I think so far we have seen a nice job done at making things NVDA compatible as muchas is practical.
 
-- 
     B.H.
   Registerd Linux User 521886


  Fernando Botelho wrote:
Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 03:32:17PM -0300


My own two cents on this is that anything that brings Orca settings closer
to NVDA or TalkBack settings is good; just so there is an easier transition
for folks coming to Linux.

Anything that ties Orca too deeply to Gnome and makes it more difficult to
use it in mate and others is bad.

Best,

Fernando




On 08/25/2015 03:20 PM, Tom Masterson wrote:

Will this still allow us to do some seetings during an istallation such as
using braille or setting it for a laptop keyboard while in an installer?
Currently we can do that with orca preferences.

Tom

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015, Josh K wrote:


yes putting the orca gui in the main settings pannel would be nice so
when you hit the orca control panel command it brings
it up and if you want you could change other settings also. just maybe
put in an apply button and a revert to previous
settings button or cancel or something like that.

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982
On 8/25/2015 11:40 AM, Storm Dragon wrote:
     Howdy,
     I am in favor for cleaning up the current GUI. I guess changing it
would be ok, but I like the current layout.
     Thanks
     Storm
     On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 04:41:51PM +0200, chrys87 web de wrote:
             Hi Joanie, Hi list,

             >>Ultimately the goal is to migrate everything over to
gsettings and move
             the GUI out of Orca and into desktop environment control
centers.Do you
             think its a good idea to integrade it into gcc or
something? not everyone
             out not everyone use gnome, mate or co. there people just
running a window
             manager. so there not able to configure orca without gcc?
             maybe its a good idea to provide a GUI into orca but that
could be
             integrated into gcc?
             to megrate all that stuff to gsettings is a good idea. I m
currently try
             this with ocrdesktop. its really handy.

             >>But given that I keep failing to get to that, if you
want to redo it
             all, go for it! :)
             I would really like to give a try.
             By the way, is there a reason why the orca-setup.ui is not
             created/modified with glade? i see many differences if a
open and save the
             .ui file in glade 3.16. i now tried to integrade my gui
without using
             glade. its not really handy to this large XML like
structure in an text
             editor ^^.

             Any ideas or mocups how a new GUI should looks like? this
are my Ideas:
             - Many other screenreaders does provide a "context menue"
similar
             structure. with entrys like "braille", "speak"... if you
press enter ont
             that entrys a window appears with just the corresponding
settings (NVDA
             did it this way i think)
             - An other idea could be to provide a "listbox" with the
settings
             categorys. if you do a click on that category, the
categorys fade out and
             you are on a new "page" with the corresponding settings.
(its similar to
             the most smartphones). if you press esc or "back" you are
in the categorys
             again. mybe here we could also implement an just type
search for settings.
             i would prefer this.
             - we could just clean up the current GUI and do not change
the behaviour.

             what do you guys out there think about?

             cheers chrys
             Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. August 2015 um 00:59 Uhr
             Von: "Joanmarie Diggs" <jdiggs igalia com>
             An: chrys87 <chrys87 web de>, orca-list gnome org
             Betreff: Re: [orca-list] To help test the beeping progress
bars
             Hi Chrys.

             I agree about the GUI cleanup. Ultimately the goal is to
migrate
             everything over to gsettings and move the GUI out of Orca
and into
             desktop environment control centers. But given that I keep
failing to
             get to that, if you want to redo it all, go for it! :)

             Thanks!
             --joanie

             On 08/24/2015 06:28 PM, chrys87 wrote:
             > thanks for sharing that ^^, meanwhile i copied TB of
data for having
             > progress bars XD.
             > By the way:
             >
             > current changelog:
             > - i fixed the accidentally broken labels in the progress
bar section
             > - the beep is now 75 ms
             > - you can now both (voice announcement and beep) enabled
via the
             checkboxes
             > - gstreamer is now optional
             > - currently i m working on a sounde volume scale. but
now i go asleep
             :).
             >
             > after that i have to optimize the GUI integration (but
there is many
             > time until 3.20 ;) ).
             >
             > IMO the orca GUI code has to be cleared up. maybe i try
to do this next
             > if joanie has nothing against it? or what about a little
redesign of the
             > GUI? maybe more "context menu like"?
             > what does the list think about a new shine settings GUI?
or what did you
             > think about joanie?
             >
             > Am 25.08.2015 um 00:14 schrieb Storm Dragon:
             >> Howdy,
             >> So the new beeping progress bars rock, but sometimes
it's hard to
             >> figure out something to do on demand that requires a
progress bar. I,
             >> therefore, have written a tiny bash app to solve this.
You can change
             >> the delay variable at the top if you would like to see
how the beeps
             >> respond to different times. The delay is in seconds,
and can be a
             >> decimal. Attached is progress.sh.
             >> To get the latest code for the progress bar beeps:
             >> git clone https://github.com/chrys87/orca-beep.git
             >> cd orca-beep
             >> Then, for arch users:
             >> ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc
--localstatedir=/var
             >> make
             >> sudo make install
             >> HTH
             >> Storm
             >>
             >>
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             >> The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
             >> The FAQ is at
http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
             >> Log bugs and feature requests at
http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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             > The FAQ is at
http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
             . http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp







_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp


_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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