Re: [orca-list] Queries regarding e-book readers for Visually Impaired

[Christopher Chaltain <chaltain gmail com>]

Also, don't forget that contract work comes in at a higher rate than the 
salary of a full time software engineer.

On 11/18/2014 03:41 PM, B. Henry wrote:
> Yes, I do agree that an experienced but not rockstar C coder probably does make something in the salary range 
> we are talking about.
> My almost uneducated guess though is that there is little special knowledge required  to complete this 
> project, and having a bit of knowledge and
> experience with a11y would make this go pretty quickly. That's why I thought the price a bit high, not 
> talking magnitudes, but double what my
> counteroffer would be.
> Splitting the difference actually may be reasonable for this work. Again, I'm using intuitioni as much as any concrete 
> knowledge in my "analysis".
> A kick-starter campaign makes  a lot of sense to me. Has anyone ever put together a kickstarter project 
> before?
>
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> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 12:29:00PM -0600, Alex Midence wrote:
> > Just playing devil's advocate here so, don't take it wrong ... Your average c++ coder makes in the 75k to 
> > 100k unless he's entry level here in Texas.  The other thing someone who charges this much can claim is 
> > specialized knowledge which usually drives prices up.  I think being able to understand Daisy and a11y needs 
> > qualifies as specialized knowledge.  For what it's worth, my eyebrows went way up when I read the price tag 
> > too and I frankly couldn't afford it either.  The questions that come to mind for me are:
> >
> > 1.  Is it negotiable?  Is 5k just a sort of initial offering just to get negotiations started or his final 
> > offer?
> > 2.  Aside from c++, how much specialized knowledge does this project require?
> > 3.  How long will it take to develop?
> > 4.  Will the developer be on hand to fix bugs and the like once the feature is implemented as a matter of 
> > course or, will that cost money too?
> >
> > I suspect any Lions club type organization will be keenly interested in some of these and probably more?
> >
> > Alex M
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: B. Henry [mailto:burt1iband gmail com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 8:03 PM
> > To: Alex Midence; orca-list gnome org
> > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Queries regarding e-book readers for Visually Impaired
> >
> > I do not  care all that much about daisy, and $5k is too much I feel for this honestly, but I may have a 
> > connection or two I can bring on board.
> > I'd like to see a better price though as this does not seem like something that difficult to a good coder on 
> > the surface. Perhaps I am totally off base but daisy is just css xml and other common formats, and as the 
> > target consumer of daisy is poorer than the average bear I'd say a bit of consideration on the dev's part may 
> > be in order. That's 100hours at $50 an hour. I've never made $50 an hour for anything legal, and doubt most 
> > of you are payed this well. For those weak in math, we are talking over $100,000 a year using 40 hour work 
> > weeks.
> > Most lions do not make so much either although many of course make much more I reckon.
> > I'd rather find a student who really needs tto make a buck and let them learn, pay some books and meals and 
> > such if I'm going to consider 5k. Again, not out of my pocket, even if I were a rich dude I'd think twice 
> > about financing this, but enough of the hypothetical bull.
> > Love you guys, and if a lot of folks think this is important I will start talking to the couple of contacts I 
> > have on the off chance that this can come about, but I'd try and get a much better price before moving and my 
> > heart probably would not be in it for 5k.
> > --
> >
> > B.H.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:36:00PM -0600, Alex Midence wrote:
> > > This is the sort of thing that Lions clubs and other charitable organizations can contribute to. Does anyone 
> > > have connections with such organizations? Does anyone have experience in grant  letter writing?
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Nov 17, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Fernando Botelho <Fernando Botelho F123 org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Wow, there goes my hope of something affordabel and quick.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Fernando
> > > >
> > > > > On 11/17/2014 06:23 PM, kendell clark wrote:
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> > > > >
> > > > > according to the email he just sent me, he wants something like 5000
> > > > > bucks to implement it. He also wants 1500 bucks to implement the book
> > > > > list and all that goes with it. Of course, none of us can add this
> > > > > ourselves, he says something about getting a group to contract him.
> > > > > I'm not holding out much hope at the moment
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Kendell clark
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 11/17/2014 06:28 AM, Fernando Botelho wrote:
> > > > > > Does anyone know if this book reading software have interface in
> > > > > > multiple languages?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, how much of an investment are we talking about to get it to
> > > > > > read Daisy?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fernando
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 11/17/2014 07:27 AM, kendell clark wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > hi My idea of a book list is one where you can select a directory
> > > > > > where your books are kept, and the program will go through and get
> > > > > > the books available in that folder by analyzing the books xml data.
> > > > > > This would work equally for epub as well as daisy books. It might
> > > > > > display something like the following. books list view. book title
> > > > > > 1: current position: wherever you left off. Etc. Thanks Kendell
> > > > > > clark
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 11/17/2014 03:14 AM, Peter V??gner wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hello, The project is open source however developer is
> > > > > > > > > looking for some funding so he can do his best in order to
> > > > > > > > > implement it. E.G. see here for bookmarks related issue...
> > > > > > > > > https://github.com/rhdunn/cainteoir-gtk/issues/6 What is a
> > > > > > > > > book list as you are describing it? Ability to open recently
> > > > > > > > > viewed books is already there and also ability to see the
> > > > > > > > > list of chapters. Reading can be started from any point from
> > > > > > > > > that list.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This is really awesome piece of software, it's well written
> > > > > > > > > continually maintained and the developer is cooperative,
> > > > > > > > > really an expert, considers accessibility and all other stuff
> > > > > > > > > we might have imagined.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Another his big reference is eSpeak for android.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Greetings
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Peter
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 17.11.2014 at 09:10 kendell clark wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > hi Nods, just sent out an email to the developer. If he'll
> > > > > > > > > add daisy support,a nd possibly at some point later
> > > > > > > > > bookmarking support and book lists, we'll have ourselves a
> > > > > > > > > daisy reader that can read other formats too. Thanks Kendell
> > > > > > > > > clark On 11/17/2014 02:06 AM, Peter V??gner wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Well gtk UI for cainteoir is not as feature rich
> > > > > > > > > > > > as we would wish however I have to add another positive
> > > > > > > > > > > > comments it is accessible. Even content is rendered
> > > > > > > > > > > > into a read only edit field for some simple proof
> > > > > > > > > > > > reading.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Peter
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17.11.2014 at 06:27 Willem van der Walt wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is cainteoir which now supports epub3 with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > media overlays. The player, however is not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > feature-ritch at the moment.  If someone is good at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > writing c++, that player could be expanded to be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > quite good. The cainteoir library supports reading a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > number of formats. On Android, there is a player
> > > > > > > > > > > > > called menestrelo which is good for reading epub3.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > HTH, Willem
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 16 Nov 2014, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That???s too bad about epub readers. I think these
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > other solutions involving conversions and kludging
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > around with other formats just ruins the epub
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience. I really like the direct navigation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > features found in Apple???s iBooks applications on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > all their devices. I wonder if evince can deal with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > PDF books though. Has anyone had a chance to try
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this? Many times, books are released in PDF as an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > alternative to epub but still include much of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > navigations normally available in epub. My biggest
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > complaint with converting stuff to plain text or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever is you lose all that rich navigation that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes with hyper text publications. Even HTML books
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > navigate OK but you can???t place bookmarks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > throughout the text with a web browser.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Dhairyashil Bhosale
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dhairyashil bhosale584 gmail com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HI, As you mentioned about e-book reader, the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FBReader, CoolReader and Calibre e-book readers
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are widely used on Linux platform but I am also
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looking some other e-book reader that will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support all type of e-book format and will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accessible with Orca. So I have some information
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding to your queries
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are the tools available to read
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-books?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :- The FBReader, CoolReader and Calibre are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > available for Linux and Android platform. but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FBReader and CoolReader have limited support for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-book format, but Calibre support all type of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-book format and Calibre is open source for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Linux platform but not for Android. Lucidor is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also used for reading e-books but its have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > limited feature.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Accessibility issues (if any) with e-book
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-  The FBReader, CoolReader and Calibre are not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accessible to orca. I used these e-book reader
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Orca but Orca is not able to read these
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-book readers. But Lucidor e-book reader is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accessible with orca screen reader, but it have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some issue while reading e-books.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navigation related issues with e-book
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :- while using these e-book reader they have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > limited navigation feature, if we press
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouce-scroll button for zoom-in then it will not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work as page number wise. so these e-book readers
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have limited navigation facilities.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, Dhairyashil
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.  Queries regarding e-book readers for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visually Impaired (Leena Chourey)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 6 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 15:18:49 +0530
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Leena Chourey <leenagour gmail com> To:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Orca-list <orca-list gnome org>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gnome-accessibility-list
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <gnome-accessibility-list gnome org>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evince-list gnome org,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poppler lists freedesktop org Subject:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [orca-list] Queries regarding e-book readers for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visually Impaired Message-ID:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <CAD-S5bOtwATLYwtoKXruHG=XknecYOREuicH3aLaHmx1_rSwrQ mail gmail com>
> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While exploring about the e-book reading facility
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Visually Impaired, I found that various
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > formats like epub, pdf are availble. Various
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > readers like FBReader, Coolreader, Caliber people
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use. Please help to find answer for my queries
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - What are the tools available to read e-books? -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it require to have specific readers to read
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-books? - Widely used e-book readers working on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Linux & Android platform and with screen reader
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like Orca - Accessibility issues (if any) with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-book reader - Navigation related issues with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-book reader
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leena
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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