Re: [orca-list] Queries regarding e-book readers for Visually Impaired



Yes, I do agree that an experienced but not rockstar C coder probably does make something in the salary range 
we are talking about.
My almost uneducated guess though is that there is little special knowledge required  to complete this 
project, and having a bit of knowledge and 
experience with a11y would make this go pretty quickly. That's why I thought the price a bit high, not 
talking magnitudes, but double what my 
counteroffer would be.
Splitting the difference actually may be reasonable for this work. Again, I'm using intuitioni as much as any 
concrete knowledge in my "analysis". 
A kick-starter campaign makes  a lot of sense to me. Has anyone ever put together a kickstarter project 
before?


  

    

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 12:29:00PM -0600, Alex Midence wrote:
Just playing devil's advocate here so, don't take it wrong ... Your average c++ coder makes in the 75k to 
100k unless he's entry level here in Texas.  The other thing someone who charges this much can claim is 
specialized knowledge which usually drives prices up.  I think being able to understand Daisy and a11y 
needs qualifies as specialized knowledge.  For what it's worth, my eyebrows went way up when I read the 
price tag too and I frankly couldn't afford it either.  The questions that come to mind for me are:

1.  Is it negotiable?  Is 5k just a sort of initial offering just to get negotiations started or his final 
offer?  
2.  Aside from c++, how much specialized knowledge does this project require?
3.  How long will it take to develop?  
4.  Will the developer be on hand to fix bugs and the like once the feature is implemented as a matter of 
course or, will that cost money too?

I suspect any Lions club type organization will be keenly interested in some of these and probably more?  

Alex M


-----Original Message-----
From: B. Henry [mailto:burt1iband gmail com] 
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 8:03 PM
To: Alex Midence; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Queries regarding e-book readers for Visually Impaired

I do not  care all that much about daisy, and $5k is too much I feel for this honestly, but I may have a 
connection or two I can bring on board.
I'd like to see a better price though as this does not seem like something that difficult to a good coder 
on the surface. Perhaps I am totally off base but daisy is just css xml and other common formats, and as 
the target consumer of daisy is poorer than the average bear I'd say a bit of consideration on the dev's 
part may be in order. That's 100hours at $50 an hour. I've never made $50 an hour for anything legal, and 
doubt most of you are payed this well. For those weak in math, we are talking over $100,000 a year using 40 
hour work weeks. 
Most lions do not make so much either although many of course make much more I reckon. 
I'd rather find a student who really needs tto make a buck and let them learn, pay some books and meals and 
such if I'm going to consider 5k. Again, not out of my pocket, even if I were a rich dude I'd think twice 
about financing this, but enough of the hypothetical bull.
Love you guys, and if a lot of folks think this is important I will start talking to the couple of contacts 
I have on the off chance that this can come about, but I'd try and get a much better price before moving 
and my heart probably would not be in it for 5k.
--

B.H.
  

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:36:00PM -0600, Alex Midence wrote:
This is the sort of thing that Lions clubs and other charitable organizations can contribute to. Does 
anyone have connections with such organizations? Does anyone have experience in grant  letter writing?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 17, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Fernando Botelho <Fernando Botelho F123 org> wrote:

Wow, there goes my hope of something affordabel and quick.

Thanks,

Fernando

On 11/17/2014 06:23 PM, kendell clark wrote:
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according to the email he just sent me, he wants something like 5000
bucks to implement it. He also wants 1500 bucks to implement the book
list and all that goes with it. Of course, none of us can add this
ourselves, he says something about getting a group to contract him.
I'm not holding out much hope at the moment
Thanks
Kendell clark

On 11/17/2014 06:28 AM, Fernando Botelho wrote:
Does anyone know if this book reading software have interface in
multiple languages?

Also, how much of an investment are we talking about to get it to
read Daisy?

Thanks,

Fernando

On 11/17/2014 07:27 AM, kendell clark wrote:

hi My idea of a book list is one where you can select a directory
where your books are kept, and the program will go through and get
the books available in that folder by analyzing the books xml data.
This would work equally for epub as well as daisy books. It might
display something like the following. books list view. book title
1: current position: wherever you left off. Etc. Thanks Kendell
clark

On 11/17/2014 03:14 AM, Peter V??gner wrote:
Hello, The project is open source however developer is
looking for some funding so he can do his best in order to
implement it. E.G. see here for bookmarks related issue...
https://github.com/rhdunn/cainteoir-gtk/issues/6 What is a
book list as you are describing it? Ability to open recently
viewed books is already there and also ability to see the
list of chapters. Reading can be started from any point from
that list.

This is really awesome piece of software, it's well written
continually maintained and the developer is cooperative,
really an expert, considers accessibility and all other stuff
we might have imagined.

Another his big reference is eSpeak for android.

Greetings

Peter

On 17.11.2014 at 09:10 kendell clark wrote:


hi Nods, just sent out an email to the developer. If he'll
add daisy support,a nd possibly at some point later
bookmarking support and book lists, we'll have ourselves a
daisy reader that can read other formats too. Thanks Kendell
clark On 11/17/2014 02:06 AM, Peter V??gner wrote:
Hello, Well gtk UI for cainteoir is not as feature rich
as we would wish however I have to add another positive
comments it is accessible. Even content is rendered
into a read only edit field for some simple proof
reading.

Greetings

Peter

On 17.11.2014 at 06:27 Willem van der Walt wrote:
There is cainteoir which now supports epub3 with
media overlays. The player, however is not
feature-ritch at the moment.  If someone is good at
writing c++, that player could be expanded to be
quite good. The cainteoir library supports reading a
number of formats. On Android, there is a player
called menestrelo which is good for reading epub3.
HTH, Willem


On Sun, 16 Nov 2014, Steve Holmes wrote:

That???s too bad about epub readers. I think these
other solutions involving conversions and kludging
around with other formats just ruins the epub
experience. I really like the direct navigation
features found in Apple???s iBooks applications on
all their devices. I wonder if evince can deal with
PDF books though. Has anyone had a chance to try
this? Many times, books are released in PDF as an
alternative to epub but still include much of the
navigations normally available in epub. My biggest
complaint with converting stuff to plain text or
whatever is you lose all that rich navigation that
comes with hyper text publications. Even HTML books
navigate OK but you can???t place bookmarks
throughout the text with a web browser.

On Nov 6, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Dhairyashil Bhosale
<dhairyashil bhosale584 gmail com> wrote:

HI, As you mentioned about e-book reader, the
FBReader, CoolReader and Calibre e-book readers
are widely used on Linux platform but I am also
looking some other e-book reader that will
support all type of e-book format and will
accessible with Orca. So I have some information
regarding to your queries
What are the tools available to read
e-books?
:- The FBReader, CoolReader and Calibre are
available for Linux and Android platform. but
FBReader and CoolReader have limited support for
e-book format, but Calibre support all type of
e-book format and Calibre is open source for
Linux platform but not for Android. Lucidor is
also used for reading e-books but its have
limited feature.

Accessibility issues (if any) with e-book
reader?
:-  The FBReader, CoolReader and Calibre are not
accessible to orca. I used these e-book reader
with Orca but Orca is not able to read these
e-book readers. But Lucidor e-book reader is
accessible with orca screen reader, but it have
some issue while reading e-books.

Navigation related issues with e-book
reader?
:- while using these e-book reader they have
limited navigation feature, if we press
mouce-scroll button for zoom-in then it will not
work as page number wise. so these e-book readers
have limited navigation facilities.


With Regards, Dhairyashil


6.  Queries regarding e-book readers for
Visually Impaired (Leena Chourey)

Message: 6 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 15:18:49 +0530
From: Leena Chourey <leenagour gmail com> To:
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Dear all,

While exploring about the e-book reading facility
for Visually Impaired, I found that various
formats like epub, pdf are availble. Various
readers like FBReader, Coolreader, Caliber people
use. Please help to find answer for my queries
about

- What are the tools available to read e-books? -
Is it require to have specific readers to read
e-books? - Widely used e-book readers working on
Linux & Android platform and with screen reader
like Orca - Accessibility issues (if any) with
e-book reader - Navigation related issues with
e-book reader


With regards

Leena

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