Re: [orca-list] Queries regarding e-book readers for Visually Impaired

[kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>]

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hi
Totally agree here. Disregarding the people have to make a living
argument, which I don't disagree with, this is too much. If it's 5k or
nothing I'd rather have daisy support, honestly. This seems like one
of hte only chance we're going to have, unless someone comes along and
writes one from scratch, which is unlikely.
And to keep this somewhat on topic, this is already accessible with orca
Thanks
Kendell clark

On 11/17/2014 08:03 PM, B. Henry wrote:
> I do not  care all that much about daisy, and $5k is too much I
> feel for this honestly, but I may have a connection or two I can
> bring on board. I'd like to see a better price though as this does
> not seem like something that difficult to a good coder on the
> surface. Perhaps I am totally off base but daisy is just css xml
> and other common formats, and as the target consumer of daisy is
> poorer than the average bear I'd say a bit of consideration on the
> dev's part may be in order. That's 100hours at $50 an hour. I've
> never made $50 an hour for anything legal, and doubt most of you
> are payed this well. For those weak in math, we are talking over
> $100,000 a year using 40 hour work weeks. Most lions do not make so
> much either although many of course make much more I reckon. I'd
> rather find a student who really needs tto make a buck and let them
> learn, pay some books and meals and such if I'm going to consider
> 5k. Again, not out of my pocket, even if I were a rich dude I'd
> think twice about financing this, but enough of the hypothetical
> bull. Love you guys, and if a lot of folks think this is important
> I will start talking to the couple of contacts I have on the off
> chance that this can come about, but I'd try and get a much better
> price before moving and my heart probably would not be in it for
> 5k. --
>
> B.H.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:36:00PM -0600, Alex Midence wrote:
> > This is the sort of thing that Lions clubs and other charitable
> > organizations can contribute to. Does anyone have connections
> > with such organizations? Does anyone have experience in grant
> > letter writing?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Nov 17, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Fernando Botelho
> > > <Fernando Botelho F123 org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Wow, there goes my hope of something affordabel and quick.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Fernando
> > >
> > > > On 11/17/2014 06:23 PM, kendell clark wrote:
>
> according to the email he just sent me, he wants something like
> 5000 bucks to implement it. He also wants 1500 bucks to implement
> the book list and all that goes with it. Of course, none of us can
> add this ourselves, he says something about getting a group to
> contract him. I'm not holding out much hope at the moment Thanks 
> Kendell clark
>
> > > > > > On 11/17/2014 06:28 AM, Fernando Botelho wrote: Does
> > > > > > anyone know if this book reading software have interface
> > > > > > in multiple languages?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, how much of an investment are we talking about to
> > > > > > get it to read Daisy?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fernando
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 11/17/2014 07:27 AM, kendell clark wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > hi My idea of a book list is one where you can select a
> > > > > > directory where your books are kept, and the program will
> > > > > > go through and get the books available in that folder by
> > > > > > analyzing the books xml data. This would work equally for
> > > > > > epub as well as daisy books. It might display something
> > > > > > like the following. books list view. book title 1:
> > > > > > current position: wherever you left off. Etc. Thanks
> > > > > > Kendell clark
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 11/17/2014 03:14 AM, Peter V??gner wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hello, The project is open source however developer
> > > > > > > > > is looking for some funding so he can do his best
> > > > > > > > > in order to implement it. E.G. see here for
> > > > > > > > > bookmarks related issue... 
> > > > > > > > > https://github.com/rhdunn/cainteoir-gtk/issues/6
> > > > > > > > > What is a book list as you are describing it?
> > > > > > > > > Ability to open recently viewed books is already
> > > > > > > > > there and also ability to see the list of chapters.
> > > > > > > > > Reading can be started from any point from that
> > > > > > > > > list.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This is really awesome piece of software, it's well
> > > > > > > > > written continually maintained and the developer is
> > > > > > > > > cooperative, really an expert, considers
> > > > > > > > > accessibility and all other stuff we might have
> > > > > > > > > imagined.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Another his big reference is eSpeak for android.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Greetings
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Peter
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 17.11.2014 at 09:10 kendell clark wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > hi Nods, just sent out an email to the developer.
> > > > > > > > > If he'll add daisy support,a nd possibly at some
> > > > > > > > > point later bookmarking support and book lists,
> > > > > > > > > we'll have ourselves a daisy reader that can read
> > > > > > > > > other formats too. Thanks Kendell clark On
> > > > > > > > > 11/17/2014 02:06 AM, Peter V??gner wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Well gtk UI for cainteoir is not as
> > > > > > > > > > > > feature rich as we would wish however I have
> > > > > > > > > > > > to add another positive comments it is
> > > > > > > > > > > > accessible. Even content is rendered into a
> > > > > > > > > > > > read only edit field for some simple proof 
> > > > > > > > > > > > reading.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Peter
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17.11.2014 at 06:27 Willem van der Walt
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: There is cainteoir which now
> > > > > > > > > > > > > supports epub3 with media overlays. The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > player, however is not feature-ritch at the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > moment.  If someone is good at writing c++,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that player could be expanded to be quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > good. The cainteoir library supports
> > > > > > > > > > > > > reading a number of formats. On Android,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a player called menestrelo which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > is good for reading epub3. HTH, Willem
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 16 Nov 2014, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That???s too bad about epub readers. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > think these other solutions involving
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > conversions and kludging around with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > other formats just ruins the epub 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience. I really like the direct
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > navigation features found in Apple???s
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > iBooks applications on all their devices.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if evince can deal with PDF
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > books though. Has anyone had a chance to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > try this? Many times, books are released
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in PDF as an alternative to epub but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > still include much of the navigations
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > normally available in epub. My biggest 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > complaint with converting stuff to plain
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > text or whatever is you lose all that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich navigation that comes with hyper
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > text publications. Even HTML books 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > navigate OK but you can???t place
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bookmarks throughout the text with a web
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > browser.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Dhairyashil
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhosale 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dhairyashil bhosale584 gmail com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HI, As you mentioned about e-book
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader, the FBReader, CoolReader and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calibre e-book readers are widely used
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on Linux platform but I am also looking
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some other e-book reader that will 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support all type of e-book format and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will accessible with Orca. So I have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some information regarding to your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > queries
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are the tools available to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read e-books?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :- The FBReader, CoolReader and Calibre
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are available for Linux and Android
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > platform. but FBReader and CoolReader
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have limited support for e-book format,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but Calibre support all type of e-book
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > format and Calibre is open source for 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Linux platform but not for Android.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lucidor is also used for reading
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-books but its have limited feature.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Accessibility issues (if any) with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-book reader?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-  The FBReader, CoolReader and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calibre are not accessible to orca. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used these e-book reader with Orca but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Orca is not able to read these e-book
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > readers. But Lucidor e-book reader is 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accessible with orca screen reader, but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it have some issue while reading
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-books.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navigation related issues with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-book reader?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :- while using these e-book reader they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have limited navigation feature, if we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > press mouce-scroll button for zoom-in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then it will not work as page number
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wise. so these e-book readers have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > limited navigation facilities.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, Dhairyashil
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.  Queries regarding e-book readers
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Visually Impaired (Leena Chourey)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 6 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15:18:49 +0530 From: Leena Chourey
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <leenagour gmail com> To: Orca-list
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <orca-list gnome org>, 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gnome-accessibility-list 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <gnome-accessibility-list gnome org>, 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evince-list gnome org, 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poppler lists freedesktop org Subject: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [orca-list] Queries regarding e-book
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > readers for Visually Impaired
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message-ID: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <CAD-S5bOtwATLYwtoKXruHG=XknecYOREuicH3aLaHmx1_rSwrQ mail gmail com>
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While exploring about the e-book
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reading facility for Visually Impaired,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found that various formats like epub,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pdf are availble. Various readers like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FBReader, Coolreader, Caliber people 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use. Please help to find answer for my
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > queries about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - What are the tools available to read
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-books? - Is it require to have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific readers to read e-books? -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Widely used e-book readers working on 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Linux & Android platform and with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > screen reader like Orca - Accessibility
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issues (if any) with e-book reader -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navigation related issues with e-book
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leena
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
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