Re: [orca-list] LXDE/Openbox menu accessibility

[Alex Midence <alex midence gmail com>]

I, for one, do not consider this off topic at all, actually.  The question
of whether or not x or y desktop environment is accessible pre-supposes that
one would be using Orca in it.  Gaps in the accessibility of a given
environment could just as easily be phrased as areas in which Orca doesn't
communicate the contents of the screen to you whether because of a problem
with Orca itself or some other underlying issue with the infrastructure of
the environment.  Please keep this thread alive and public.  It is extremely
interesting and illucidating.  


Thanks.
Alex M

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of B. Henry
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:06 AM
To: Mike Ray; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] LXDE/Openbox menu accessibility

A general question for anyone, but especially for the person who said that
lxde seemedto be a better choice  compared with xfce... Are there  some
accessibility issues that lxde has resolved that are still problematic when
using xfce?
That's what i  think you are saying in
Start Quote:
your posts just made me try LXDE/Openbox again after more than 1 year
  as it
  seems to be the more appropriate lightweight alternative than XFCE
  (development state...).
Snip
Also, I'm unclear as to whether using alt escape to     cycle through open
windows provides  the speech that is missing 
when one changes windows with alt tab.
My curiosity is not idle or random. I've been using XFCE more than any other
GUI since I installed Arch-Linux about six months ago. The lack of
accessibility when it comes to panels and desktop icons in XFCE has gotten
me using Mate quite a bit. 
Besides having a mostly accessible panel mate's overall performance and its
interaction with Orca are very good, but I'd prefer XFCE if I had spoken
access to the systray icons and applets. 
I have only tried lxde as it came configured on the screenreader-enabled
versions of Knopix a few years ago. There were some stability issues when I
tried to multitask with graphical applications. 
What if any accessibility advantages does LXDE have over XFCE? Going OT a
bit more, is there anything else about LXDE that is especially attractive? I
know its very thrifty when it comes to using memory, but is it more
responsive than XFCE?
Thanks in advance for your feedback everyone. 
--
B.H.

On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 03:47:47PM +0100, Mike Ray wrote:

 
 We're getting a bit off-topic here so I'll be brief.
 
 I have come to something of a grinding halt with lxde at the moment
because I can't find a way to get the sys tray, which I think is on the
bottom panel, although I might be wrong as I don't really either  understand
or like panels, to take keyboard focus.  So I can find no way  of opening
the network manager applet.  I could use the nmcli console  portion of
network-manager but it would be nice to have a GUI thingy.
 
 But I have got as far as writing a script to complete the installation  of
Chris's talking Arch (all the bits after arch-chroot), and another  script
which does the lxde install.
 
 Mike
 
 
 On 25/06/2014 14:16, Alex Midence wrote:
  I don't use LXDE so, take this with the proper grain of salt but, couldn't
  you use different virtual desktops to manage how many applications you
  switch between?  Assume you will have 15 applications open at any given
  time.  You can use three virtual desktops and organize them according to
  function i.e. have the internet apps like your browser, e-mail and chat
  sessions open in one virtual desktop, your office productivity stuff like
  Calc, Gedit and writer on another one, your music player, file manager and
  calendar application on the third one and so forth and so on.  Will
  alt+escape restrict itself to your current virtual desktop in LXDE or will
  it switch across them all?
 
  Alex M
 
 
  -----Original Message-----
  From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Jakob
  Herrmann
  Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 7:59 AM
  To: orca-list gnome org
  Subject: Re: [orca-list] LXDE/Openbox menu accessibility
 
  Hi,
 
  your posts just made me try LXDE/Openbox again after more than 1 year
  as it
  seems to be the more appropriate lightweight alternative than XFCE
  (development state...). In general, everything works fine on my Arch
  box and
  I am able to access applications and menus. However, I am having still the
  core problem that nothing is spoken or displayed while switching between
  windows with alt+tab (or backwards). I found out that you can also switch
  using alt+esc which is acceptable as workaround for me, but this seems to
  switch more or less randomly and takes more time to find the right tab if
  thousands of things are opened up. How do you deal with this issue?
 
  Cheers,
  Jakob
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 --
 Michael A. Ray
 Analyst/Programmer
 Witley, Surrey, South-east UK
 
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Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to
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