Re: [orca-list] Your opinion on radio button and check box presentation?

[Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com>]

Hello,
I have migrated from Windows to Linux and I am used to that both 
checkboxes and radio buttons report their states as checked and not checked.
The difference is that checkbox is a single UI element with two or three 
states checked, unchecked and partially checked also known as half checked.
Radio button is a single element found inside a group of radio buttons. 
One of them is checked and all the others are unchecked.
I think you are now wondering whether selected and focused have possibly 
the similar if not the same meaning. I understand that there is no way 
to select buttons, checkboxes, menu items etc. You are able to focuss 
these. You are able to select text and you are also able to select an 
item or more items from a list or similar control.

So to sum it up. As I understand selected is not and should not be 
considered a replacement for focused. I like the words checked and 
unchecked for radio buttons but I can imagine someone else arguing that 
with analogy to real old analog radio unit the controls are not checked 
but they are pressed or selected there because usually only one of them 
can be active at a time.

What really worries me that translators will have difficulties 
understanding the change while localizing. For several months I am in 
contact with slovak localization gnome team trying to improve orca 
translation to slovak however we have some terminology issues e.g. mixed 
headers and headings, and issues to make the translation consistent with 
ATK. I think many of the states and control names are not translated in 
orca but inside the ATK. So I would also consider this if possible. If 
there is a term for a given action in another app or a library then we 
should try to be consistent where possible.

Greetings

Peter


On 14.11.2013 08:48, Robert Cole wrote:
> Admittedly, it can be an annoyance. I thnk that there is some 
> unwritten "Coder's Code" as to why the states "selected" and "checked" 
> are used for these two different kinds of buttons, but it does feel 
> inconsistent to me. Someone out there may have a different case 
> scenario, but I think that "selected" and  "not selected" would be 
> fine across check boxes and radio buttons.
>
> On 11/13/2013 10:07 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > Hey all.
> >
> > Given a checked/selected widget labeled foo, Orca says:
> >
> > * Foo selected radio button
> > * Foo check box checked
> >
> > I know it's minor, but inconsistency bugs me. And these feel like they
> > are inconsistent for no good reason. So... Is there a valid reason why
> > they are different, other than "it's always been that way"? Or does this
> > nit annoy you as well?
> >
> > --joanie (who may have acquired a widget neurosis from the refactor)
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