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Re: [orca-list] XFCE and orca

hi,

this is weird.
1. i start xfce
2. i hit alt+f2 and enter spd-say hello. it says hello.
3. i hit alt+f2 again and enter orca. orca says welcome to orca.
4. i repeated step 2 and 3 and the same happens
5. i repeated step 4.
6. i repeated step 4.

always the same thing.
its weird.
seems orca crashes or something.

greetings,
simon


Am 24.06.2013 20:46, schrieb Peter Vágner:

Hello,
On one of my machines speech-dispatcher sometimes crashes after orca
starts. This is verry rare and I assumed that is only happening with
this single machine.
So in order to find out whether this might also be happening on your
machine try running orca in xfce. It should say welcome to orca and then
become silent. After this press alt+f2 and run spd-say hello. spd-say
should revive speech-dispatcher and orca should come up talking.
If it still does not work then try to make it even harder and run two
commands using alt+f2 one after the other.
First run killall speech-dispatcher
and second run spd-say hello
as you hear hello repeatd back orca should hopefully get talking as well
and it should remain so.

Still if this is not working try to run the following via alt+f2
echo $GTK_MODULES > ~/GTK_MODULES
This should dump content of that variable into a file ~/GTK_MODULES so
you can then examine it while running gnome to make sure it's assigned
properly.

I am sorry I haven't clearer instructions however I have no ubuntu
machine ready at this time therefore I am just passing my ideas I would
try if I were you.

Greetings

Peter



On 24.06.2013 20:14, Simon Eigeldinger wrote:

hi peter,

i wrote sd-say. now with spd-say it works.
spd-say works in gnome and in xfce.




Am 24.06.2013 20:06, schrieb Peter Vágner:

Hello,
I am afraid something might be going on with the sound setup.
If orca can say welcome to orca why spd-say does not work?
Does spd-say work for you in gnome?
Have you changed speech-dispatcher output device from the default
pulseaudio to alsa or something else? I think if you are also using
gnome on this machine you should somehow make sure pulseaudio starts
with xfce and then keep speech-dispatcher configured to use pulseaudio.

Greetings

Peter


On 24.06.2013 19:56, Simon Eigeldinger wrote:

Hi Peter,

i just tested that by launching xfce then opening the run dialog and
entered sd-say hello. no reply. then entered espeak hello which gave
me the word hello back.
i also launched orca. then orca said welcome to orca and then there
was silence.

i then tried to hit alt+f1 to invoke the main menu which also didn't
talk.

haven't checked with ssh yet.

greetings,
simon

Am 23.06.2013 04:52, schrieb Peter Vágner:

Hello,
As Robert has said I am not sure where to put the enviromment variable
if you are starting xfce via display manager.
However related to sound you should check whether pulse audio starts
along with xfce, what is speech-dispatcher set to use as its output
module and then continue from there.
Are you able to start xfce and login to this machine via ssh from the
other one to check these things?

Greetings

Peter

On 22.06.2013 16:30, Simon Eigeldinger wrote:


hi peter,


let's try that again and sending it to the list.

i started xfce using the normal lightdm logon screen.
the .xinitrc just contains the line i wrote below.
there was also no .xinitrc in /etc/skel/ so i created an empty one.

seems sd-say hello doesn't output anything.
espeak hello fortunately does.


greetings,
simon

Am 22.06.2013 10:24, schrieb Peter Vágner:
Hello,
How are you starting xfce4? Have you created ~/.xinitrc file from
scratch or you have just added a line like you have described into
it?
After starting orca by running it via xfce4 app finder using
alt+f2 can
you try to press alt+f2 again and try to run spd-say hello or
something
in order to test whether this is orca or speech dispatcher what has
just
crashed?

Greetings

Peter

On 21.06.2013 22:54, Simon Eigeldinger wrote:
hi Peter,

I just tried that on my ubuntu 13.04 machine.
i got xfce 4 to install but ffter boting it and then hitting alt+f2
and entered orca then orca seems to have crashed.
welcome to orca was announced but i don't know if orca really started
completely or not. after that i tried hitting alt+f1 and there was no
speech. i also tried insert+space to bring up the orca settings
dialog
which also didn't come up.


before that i created this file:
~/.xinitrc


with the following content:
export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge


any suggestions?

greetings,
simon


Am 19.06.2013 16:00, schrieb Peter Vágner:
Hello,
I am also using xfce on one of my machines and I have got a lot of
apps
working in there.
So let's assume you have got pure text based arch linux installed and
you would like to get xfce installed and try to make it accessible.
Here is what I would suggest:
- install xfce4 and xfce4-goodies groups of packages.
- If you have no ~/.xinitrc file then copy the default one into your
home directory
cp /etc/skel/.xinitrc ~/.xinitrc
- edit ~/.xinitrc with your favorite text editor. Make sure the line
exec startxfce4
is there and is not commented out.
Before this line add another line saying
export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge
- Install orca what will also install speech-dispatcher and other
dependencies.
- Now either change speech-dispatcher configuration so it will use
alsa
as its output module or install pulseaudio.
You can edit /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf
- At this point you should be able to start xfce by executing
startx .
As it starts up you will be greeted by the pannel configuration
which is
not accessible. You can escape or alt+f4 out of it and then press
alt+f2
to run xfce4 app finder and type in orca to launch it.
- If orca starts first thing you should do is that you will press
alt+f1
to inwoke the popup menu, choose applications -> settings ->
accessibility and enable screen reader checkbox.

I haven't installed gdm in order to get accessible login screen
because
it installs a lot of gnome dependencies. Instead I have installed
SLiM
and set it to autologin.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SLiM#Autologin

In order to make the experience better I have installed the following
gnome and lxde packages:
polkit-gnome, evince, file-roller, pcman-fm.
QT4 apps can also be made accessible while running xfce4 you have to
instal qt-at-spi from AUR and restart the machine in order to get it
working.

xfce4-terminal is accessible, it has even keyboard shortcut for
select all.
Mousepad what is xfce text editor is working verry well too.
For playing multimedia you can install vlc, totem or DeaDBeeF for
music.
DeaDBeeF is just partially accessible but it's avesome.

Firefox, Thunderbird and libre-office are all working verry well.
In the alt+F1 menu -> settings -> prefered applications I have
changed
default filemanager from thunar to pcman-fm.

Hopefully this is usefull

Greetings

Peter
On 19.06.2013 15:04, Dave Hunt wrote:
I'm sure ou can use LO, Firefox, and other popular titles with XFCE
and LXDE.  There's a version of Sonar with LXDE.  The panel is
inaccessible, but the menus and configurators seem to work with orca.
I know you're not a Ubuntu user, but Jonathan's Sonar LXDE can show
you how it's done.  I think it's a matter of setting a couple of
environment variables and/or configuration switches to get LXDE
talking?




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