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Re: [orca-list] Do we need "accessible" linux distributions anymore? was Re: Go to upper left and lower right corner in orca.

I think I started off by saying that of course no distribution is
needed, but at what point does it become worthwhile for you to take
advantage of work others have done in a specific distribution. You've
now listed enough information below, that I think it becomes beneficial
for someone to download a distribution written by people who already
know to do all of that and have already done it.

In your steps below, can you run Speakup in the console while running
Orca on the desktop as the same user? I can't do that, but have to use
some slightly different instructions. You also don't have Speakup at the
log in console in your example.

Have you used Emacs with Speakup or Orca and compared that to using
Emacspeak? It's like night and day.

IMHO, we should stop this discussion. You're not going to change my
mind, and I'm obviously not going to change yours.

On 24/01/13 17:39, Bill Dengler wrote:

I think the problems are that documentation for orca is out of date and
just horrible. I'll describe each point below :
With Vinux, a user doesn't need to know to press control+s, it just
comes up talking.
A user should do some research before reinstalling their OS.
 Your instructions don't include how to get Speakup
talking in the console.
In debian, it works out of the box. In ubuntu, you
apt-get install espeakup
then at the console
modprobe speakup_soft
espeakup
If you have a hardware synth, see the speakup site
 They don't include getting Emacspeak installed
and working without any latency.
use gedit, mousepad, nano, or vim. You can compile code on the command
line. If you really see the benefits of emacs, you can use it with
speakup or use xemax with orca.
I don't think you get an accessible IRC
client on stock Ubuntu.
apt-get install pidgin(as root)
or
apt-get install epic4(as root)
or
apt-get install irssi(as root)
These are just the things that come to mind. Of
course, none of this may be important to you, but then no one needs to
use Vinux or Sonar. They're just there for those who want some of the
work done for them.

On 24/01/13 16:31, Bill Dengler wrote:

Ubuntu/Debian out-of-box a11y has improved SIGNIFICANTLY over the past
few months. You don't need "accessible" apps anymore, the included ones
work beautifully in ubuntu and minimal work is required for Debian(the
only thing I can't get working is a talking login).
for ubuntu accessibility,
1 - download the Ubuntu 12.10 or 12.04 ISO and boot from it.
2 - listen for the system-ready sound
3 - press CTRL+S
4 - when you hear "welcome to orca", configure orca to your liking
5 - press alt+tab
6 - click the "install ubuntu" button
7 - complete the installer
8 - eject the DVD at the installation complete message
9 - boot into your new talking system
for debian(gnome shell) :
1 - download the latest wheezy debian installer from the debian
installer website
2 - insert the CD and boot from it
3 - press the following keys :
s tab space priority = low enter
so, press s, then tab, then space, then type "priority=low" without the
quotes, then press enter.
4 - follow the prompts up to the set users and passwords step. For this
step, you will want to create the second user account(for x). Then,
continue following the prompts up to the "select and install software"
step, for this step, select :
debian desktop environment
SSH server
standard system utilities
other stuff if you want(I.E. web server)
5 - proceed with the rest of the install then eject the CD and reboot
6 - wait a few seconds(about 8 seconds on my SSD, about 30-45 for a hard
drive) for the system to boot
7 - press the up arrow key until you hear the freedesktop bell sound,
then press enter.
8 - enter the password of the second user you created, then press enter.
9 - press the super key on your keyboard, type orca, then press enter.
10 - press the super key on your keyboard, type gnome-control-center,
then press enter.
11 - choose "universal access"
12 - toggle the screen reader switch button to the on state

On 01/24/2013 03:55 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

I guess you're saying that Sonar and Vinux aren't needed, but that's
always been the case. Vinux takes the work out of getting an accessible
OS with a set of accessible applications. Of course, you could do the
work the Vinux developers have already done, and there's nothing wrong
with that, or you could take advantage of their work, and again, there's
nothing wrong with that.


On 24/01/13 14:05, Bill Dengler wrote:

Not needed anymore.

On 01/24/2013 01:40 PM, Krishnakant Mane wrote:

Or perhaps Sonar.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
On 01/24/2013 11:24 PM, Bill Dengler wrote:

Ubuntu 10.04 is considered oldstable. If you want to stick to LTS,
you can upgrade to 12.04 or you just upgrade to 12.10. I think Vinux
is some kind of blind distro, which isn't required anymore.
Therefore, I advise you to completely wipe your drive and start with
a fresh, vanilla copy of either Ubuntu or debian.


On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Anders Holmberg
<anders pipkrokodil se <mailto:anders pipkrokodil se>> wrote:

    Hi!
    Using orca 3.1.9 which i unerstand is pritty oldish.
    Can i upgrade if i have vinux 3.0.2 running ubuntu 10.04.And how
    do i go about updating?
    /A
    23 jan 2013 kl. 21:40 skrev Bill Dengler <billkd314159 gmail com
<mailto:billkd314159 gmail com>>:


    Are you using orca 3.7x(Ubuntu quantal), 3.5(arch probably has
    this), 3.4x(debian wheezy/sid), or something else? To find out :
    1 - click the "about" button in the orca window, or run orca
    --version

    Bill
    On 01/23/2013 03:37 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

    Hi!
    I do think you missunderstand what i want. FIrst of all i can't
    find the settings you mentioned.
    I am using a pritty oldish version of orca due to the fact that
    i have vinux 3.0.2.
    which papenmeier has included in their displays.
    Using the el bar and pressing it upp till i hear it clicks two
    times.
    /AWhat i want is to jump to the top of the screen using the
    feature
    23 jan 2013 kl. 13:59 skrev Bill Dengler
<billkd314159 gmail com <mailto:billkd314159 gmail com>>:


    In orca preferences, set the mouse to follow orca's
    focus(don't remember where it is), then move your mouse to the
    appropriate section of the screen.


    On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:35 AM, Anders Holmberg
<anders pipkrokodil se <mailto:anders pipkrokodil se>> wrote:

        Hi!
        In brltty when in a console i can use my braillex el 40 s
        navigation bar feature to go to the first and last lines
        of a window.
        It can be done by pressing the navigationbar so that it
        clicks twice.
        However this feature should be implemented into orca or
        can i define such things myself?
        /A
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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at

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The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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