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Re: [orca-list] Do we need "accessible" linux distributions anymore? was Re: Go to upper left and lower right corner in orca.

Vinux is not targeting blind users with minimal hardware needs. It's
targeting blind users who want an accessible out of the box experience
with Linux, i.e. a talking Live CD, speech on the desktop and in the
console, accessible applications and so on. The Vinux team is currently
working on Vinux 4, which will be based on Ubuntu 12.04, and the daily
builds of this release are already quite usable.

If you want to discuss the relative merits of various distributions, I'd
suggest taking this to another list, since this has nothing to do with
Orca any more.

On 02/02/13 10:03, Bill Dengler wrote:

OK, i've taken a look at sonar in a VM. My understanding of Sonar was
that it was significantly different from Ubuntu and not the "install
Ubuntu with LXDE and orca talking out of the box" system that it is.
I think I was confusing Sonar and Vinux.
Vinux is a significantly modified version of Ubuntu based on really old
versions of Ubuntu that aren't even the latest LTS release!
If Vinux is trying to target blind users with low hardware/memory
systems, I think sonar has already done this(really? unity 2d?)
If you really want to support low end hardware, you could build a
shell/dialog based menu interface for performing day to day tasks with
lynx, alpine, nano/vim/emacs, ttytter, grive, etc.

Bill
On 01/30/2013 06:15 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

I'm not sure that decision has been made yet. I assume the Vinux
developers and user community will take a look at where Unity 3D
accessibility is as well, as other options.

On 30/01/13 16:01, Bill Dengler wrote:

Unity 2D was removed/phased out in Quantal. What will you do for Raring?


Bill
On 01/30/2013 04:46 PM, Mobeen Iqbal wrote:

Hi Krishnakant.

Well, our main focus is on Unity 2D. its been a controversial decision
to be honest. Our teams have put so much effort in to making it
accessible, documenting changes and making sure users are confident
when using it. We're also going to be including a package which will
place an icon in the main menu to switch to a simple menu layout,
similar to gnome shell.

Mo.


On 29/01/2013 18:11, Krishnakant Mane wrote:

Hi Mo,
Very good explanation and I think those who can understand will
understand, provided  people have sensitivity towards such a project.
Well, I am just curious, what version of gnome shell are we going to
have?
And will there be unity 2d?
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
On 01/29/2013 11:38 PM, Mobeen Iqbal wrote:

Hi Alex.

You've hit the knail on the head. The reason why Vinux 4 has taken
so long to be released is because we are trying to make it as bug
free as possible and as intuitive both from a user standpoint, and a
developer standpoint. Its always been a case of playing catch up to
be honest. If we rush to release the cutting edge, it would be
highly likely that people would not be able to use Vinux, would not
be able to depend on Vinux, and would write us off as a crap distro.
In short, if people want to use the cutting edge they can download
stock ubuntu, if they want someone to do the leg work so they don't
have too they could use Vinux but that obviously means waiting while
major accessibility bugs are ironed out. It all depends what you
want from your distro, there's something for everyone and there's no
harm in having a choice, that's the beauty of the world of Linux.

Mo.


On 29/01/2013 08:14, Alex Midence wrote:

Vinux 4 is based on Ubuntu 12.04.  that's not that far out of
date.  Just so
you know, Debian Squeeze is very very similar to Ubuntu Lucid in
what
packages it makes available to you.  Squeeze is the current
version of
Debian deemed production-worthy.  What I'm trying to say is that
even
mainstream distros have other goals than just being on the bleeding
edge.
Vinux 3 is dependably accessible.  It allowed tons of  folks to
experience
Linux accessibly and without glitches for the first time.  Vinux 4
will
continue the tradition.  I don't know why it's taken so long to
come out but
I'm sure its got to do with putting out a quality product. Perhaps
Mo or
Don or one of the others from that team would care to chime in.
I am also happy that so much work has gone into mainstream
distros and
desktops that won't necessitate such a specialized spin as much.
However,
let us not forget how easily it could go the other way.  Let some
new-fangled library come along or a new interface and things change
for a
time.  Look at Ubuntu 12.10 and 13.04's accessibility and compare
it to
12.04.  Look at gnome 2.32's accessibility and compare it to Gnome
3.0's.
sure now, it's doing nicely but snags may be encountered in the
future.  If
that happens, it's nice to know there are folks out there whose
work will
ensure we have an accessible distribution we can use to tide us
over while
the mainstream folks get all their ducks back in a row with
regard to
accessibility.

Alex M

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Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 3:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [orca-list] Do we need "accessible" linux distributions
anymore? was Re: Go to upper left and lower right corner in orca.

It seems to me that the energy being put into creating a lot of CDs
that are
accessible could better be spent in making mainstream life CDs more
accessible. One problem That plagues the so-called accessible CDs
is that
they fall far behind the live CDs that they were originally made
for for
example, vinux Was an outstanding distro based on Ubuntu, but now
it is far
out of date, having been based on version 10.04. This is one reason
why I
appreciate all the hard work that is been done to make gnome
commonly
accessible. Anyone can open orca from gnome and use it completely
ice free.
Start orca and carry on from there.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 26, 2013, at 1:10 PM, Jude
DaShiell<jdashiel shellworld net>   wrote:


No, debian rescue won't work with speech and here's why.  The s
parameter you use to start a debian installation disk speaking is
mutually exclusive to rescue as a parameter.  That means you can
enter
one or the other but not both and have both work.  S and expert
are also

mutually exclusive.

It might be possible to start speech once the system had come up in
rescue mode if you had an audible indication when the system was
ready
for input by perhaps opening up another terminal then starting
speakup
up as soft_synth in that terminal though.On Sat, 26 Jan 2013,
Geoff Shang

wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jan 2013, Jude DaShiell wrote:


grml is a bit different.
Hardware or software speech can be used to install and run
afterwards and the last time I checked that out you needed the
grmlmonster.iso to do it which fits on a dvd only.  You're left
in a
console environment after installation in grml too.

Apparently speech support has been removed from GRML as of version
2011.12 as no-one was willing to maintain it.  I only discovered
this
the other day when I wanted to use it to look at a system. Braille
support remains, or rather was re-added in 2012.5.

This concerns me a lot as GRML is very useful for system rescue
etc.
I don't know if the rescue mode of the Debian Wheezy CD would be a
sufficient substitude, but as has been said in this thread
already,

choice is good.

I'm sure that if anyone is willing to help out with this, the GRML
maintainers would be more than happy to hear from you.

Geoff.

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Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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