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Re: [orca-list] Do we need "accessible" Gnu/Linux distros anymore? 13.04 edition! was Re: ubuntu 13.04
I really wished this subject thread could be "do we really need this debate again?" 
I don't understand why people are getting so emotional.
If some people like Vinux they are free to use it and no matter if some one likes it or haits it, the distro does what it's users want it to do. 
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
On 04/29/2013 12:03 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:

Hi Bill.

I know everyone has their "off" days in which they are far less
constructive than they ordinarily would be. For this reason, I give
people the benefit of the doubt. I have given you that same benefit. But
in the months you have been posting to this list, you have repeatedly
been unconstructive and, at times, insulting. Therefore, please consider
this notification that the next time you post something in the ballpark
of what you stated below, I will put you on moderation and all your
posts will need to be manually approved before being delivered to the
Orca list.

--joanie

On 04/28/2013 11:40 AM, Bill Dengler(arch Gnu/Linux) wrote:

Here we go again...

VINUX MAKES PEOPLE THINK THAT GNU/LINUX IS JUST LIKE THE PROPRIETARY,
SEVERAL HUNDRED DOLLAR OS THEY LEFT
VINUX CREATES USERS THAT DON'T KNOW HOW TO SOLVE PROBLEMS BY DOING,
BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS DONE FOR THEM.
IT IS NOT LIKE THEY HAVE DIRECTIONS TO FOLLOW, WHY DO THAT? THAT IS
**********WAY*********** TOO COMPLICATED! LET'S JUST DUMB IT DOWN AND
WHEN THEY UPDATE THEIR SYSTEM AND STUFF BREAKS, YOU INCOURAGE USERS TO
JUST GO COMPLAIN ON THE LIST AS OPPOSED TO AT LEAST ATTEMPTING TO FIX
THE PROBLEM FIRST AND GIVING A LIST OF THINGS THEY TRIED INSTEAD OF
"IT'S BROKEN! HELP ME!"
DEVELOPERS THAT COULD BE MAKING UBUNTU A11Y BETTER GO TO VINUX WHICH
HIRTS THE UBUNTU A11Y PROJECTS.
DID I SAY VINUX IS OUT OF DATE? WHEN I SAY OUT OF DATE, I MEAN SEVERAL
RELEASES OUT OF DATE. NOW THEY ARE TWO RELEASES BEHIND!!! THAT IS AN
ENTIRE YEAR OF DEVELOPMENT!
NO GNU/LINUX LAPTOP INCLUDES VINUX OUT OF THE BOX, IT IS UBUNTU, FEDORA,
DEBIAN, OR ARCH. SOMETIMES, AND I MEAN SOMETIMES, GENTOO, BUT NEVER,
EVER HAVE I COME ACROSS VINUX.
VINUX INCOURAGES MESSAGES ON THE LIST LIKE "HOW DO I MAKE JAWS WORK WITH
MY VINUX"? OR "HOW DO I GET MY START MENU BACK SINCE THIS IS JUST LIKE
WINDOWS?"
On 04/28/13 11:18, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

Vinux is not overly simplified. I'm not sure what that even means
since you're basically just running Ubuntu 12.04 with some
configuration done for you and some things working out of the box and
some inaccessible applications replaced by accessible ones and so on,
but it doesn't change the fact that you're still running Ubuntu.

Just because you have users who need help running commands in the
terminal has nothing to do with how overly simplified Vinux is. I see
this same kind of struggle with users of Windows and the iPhone. Just
because a user struggles with something doesn't mean the OS or the
application is overly simplified. I don't think Linux is only for
those who can master the command line anymore.

Of course Vinux isn't needed. It's never been needed. The world is
full of distros customized for different users though. Just because
someone wants to take advantage of a distro where some of the setup,
configuration and installations have been done for them doesn't mean
it's needed but it also doesn't mean it isn't worth while.

I feel sorry for those people on different lists who've reached out to
you for help only to be met with such disdain. You obviously have a
lot to offer. I know you've also asked for help on these lists and
you've received it without being talked down to or treated with the
same disdain you've shown to those who don't have your level of skills
or experience.

On 04/27/2013 10:06 PM, Bill Dengler(arch Gnu/Linux) wrote:

Vinux is oversimplified to the point that users write me off list and
say that a message with commands for them to paste into a terminal
window is "overly complicated".
I know I'm bringing back the old "do we need accessible Gnu/Linux
distros anymore" thread, but with the release of 13.04, we don't.
Libreoffice reads, unity reads, if you don't like it switch to Gnome, if
you don't like Ubuntu's Gnome switch to Arch or Debian or Fedora or Open
Suse or whatever, if you think those distros have "overly complicated"
install processes then deal with Ubuntu's modified and partially out of
date Gnome or Unity.
Bill
On 04/27/13 22:20, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

I agree with you that there are accessibility issues with Ubuntu
13.04, but I don't think the lack of menus for Accessories, Graphics,
Sounds and so on is an accessibility issue. It's not like sighted
users have access to those menus but blind users don't. It may be
something you don't like with Unity, but it's not an accessibility
issue. BTW, in Vinux there's an indicator which gives you the same
menu structure you're talking about. Maybe this indicator would do the
same thing in Ubuntu 13.04.

On 04/27/2013 07:23 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Hi
since there are some accessibility issues in ubuntu13.04 with unity
for
example there are no menus such as accessories, graphics and sounds
and
others... I went into a terminal and
sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback

but orca is not speaking in gnome. the desktop speaks and also hitting
alt+f2 won't run orca or it seems not to do so. I also used the fedora
accessibility guide and typed this into a terminal.

GSETTINGS_BACKEND=dconf gsettings set
org.gnome.desktop.a11y.applications screen-reader-enabled true'
Debian-gdm || true

maybe I'm missing something or I entered something in wrong? I'm going
to erase the ubuntu13.04 vm and try again from a fresh install maybe
some packages were not installed correctly so gnome will talk. also is
xfce or lxde accessible yet? if so I would prefer to use one of
those in
ubuntu13.04.

josh
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